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#1 ·
Once again, the plastic pistols come up short.

A couple of us shooting 1911's. Five or six shooting plastic. Three of the plastics kept jamming.

1911's were flawless, including inexpensive RIA's and Para's. Of course, my GI was running perfect (far better than I was).

Empirical evidence? Yes. But I keep seeing the same thing time and time again. Sorry, glock lovers, but I am just relaying what I see with my own eyes.
 
#10 ·
I'll admit to owning one (1) plastic pistol; Kahr PM9.
This is a last ditch, "gotta dress up and can't carry a real gun"- gun.

Understand that I am old, have shot 1911's and P-35's for close to 40 years and am extremely resistant to change/set in my ways.
I'll add, I shoot those handguns quite well.

I have shot a buds SA XD's.
Forced to own a full sized plastic gun this would be it.
The grip angle is close to the 1911/P-35, while Glocks have me presenting the weapon 2' above the bad guys head.
While this could certainly be overcome with training, why in hell would I?
God forbid I should shoot the S&W M&P, plastic SIG's/HK's etc.

For those of you that own, have confidence in, prefer to shoot- and shoot plastic guns well, more power to you.
Choice is good. Choice is American.

"Ya gotta have confidence in your equipment"- J. Michael Plaxco.
I certainly agree with that sentiment.
 
#11 ·
We shot an action pistol match today at the local club , Tucker shot his 9mm EMP4, I shot a TRP that I picked up a few weeks ago. I hadn't put a single round through the TRP before the match, just oiled it and headed for the range, hell, I hadn't even had the slide off it! And, naturally, the TRP ran like a champ, it was accurate and had zero issues, same with Tucker's EMP4. There were a few misfeeds and limp wrist issues with plastic gun shooters, but now worse than usual.
 
#12 ·
we owned plastic guns way before we became 1911 addicts. That is just how it worked as newby shooters. MY wife was the one who(during her nra safety course) was treated to the use of a 9mm 1911 and loved it. she let the genie lose and I am the one who has the 3 wishes-- ;)

after the glock 17L disaster ,we are sworn off new plastic guns(unless H_-K releases a winner) . being a 1911 addict has its advantages--like shooting a great gun which feels great and is extremely accurate--everytime we go to the range. heck we are hard pressed to bring the Sigs ,berettas and Czs these days


the plastics are like revolvers. we shoot them on plastic day like we shoot the revolvers on revolver day
 
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#13 ·
I have 2 plastic guns. Cz P07/P09. Both are great and 100% reliable, and in my top 3 favorites handguns of all time.
That said, I like them because they mimic the 1911 in feel, and they are not striker guns, (double/single action). About the only plastic guns I like. I don't like most plastic guns, not because they are plastic, but because most are striker guns.


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#14 ·
I won't knock Glocks, I know lots of folks who shoot them with zero issues but for me they just don't feel right or shoot well. I suppose I could put a thousand rounds downrange to get proficient but I've no desire. 1911's and BHPs are what I want to carry and shoot. I've spent a good amount of time shooting Sigs now and I like & respect them but that as far from that classics as I can go.

I still have a shelf in the safe for my old classic wheel guns too :)


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#15 ·
it is good to be able to own and shoot both well. I am by no means a class act shooter as I work way more than I get to shoot. I am used to Glocks only because they were the first real "big bore" semi autos I owned and drank the hell out of the Kool Aid when they first became popular. They are pretty good guns with a bazillion of things one can do to "hot rod" them. I routinely get emails from the GlockStore and there is no denying that Lenny has done an amazing job promoting and designing upgrades for these guns. He is sort of the Bill Wilson of Glocks as far as I am concerned. Owning these guns and branching out to buying first some weird 3rd rail 1911 designed guns.....led me to the sport and enjoyment of owning some nice Colt's. I don't work on mine and leave them bone stock, excepting a bit of mid 1990's beater Commander for carry. I am going to start messing around with either a RIA or basic Springfield Govt model to tear them apart and learn the intricacies before I screw up something I paid a lot for. I love the history and sturdiness of the 1911 design and that when you pick one up, they point perfectly and are balanced just right. And there is just no refuting that even with ball ammo.....being hit with .45 cal ammo is more often than not a "showstopper". My brother who is now retired career LEO always carried one and still does. His recommendation is good enough for me. But are there Glocks in the house....yep. Do I still stick a 43 in the pocket of my shorts when I am running to the store here in NM, yep. Can I still shoot a G-whatever serviceably, yep. Favorite......forever a 1911 as I am an ADDICT!.
 
#20 ·
I have two striker fired pistolas but neither are plastic and both are SAO. So much fun to shoot and outstanding to look at. Real accurate but lousy for CCing. Genuine 9 mm classics! Anyone care to guess what they are?
 
#24 ·
The younger generation is all about plastic guns. That's what my gunsmith told a few weeks back. Of all my handguns I only have one plastic gun - HK USP Expert 9mm. I imagine it must feel very lonely in my safe with all of the other full metal guns crowding around it. I've tried many of the plastic guns on the market and they just don't do it for me. I wish they did, I could buy 5 or 6 of them for the cost of a Wilson Combat!!
 
#28 ·
^^^ In my experience, the fastest way to make your Glock unreliable is to put on aftermarket parts. Magazine base-plate extensions, extended slide stops, aftermarket recoil spring assemblies, triggers ... the list goes on and on for stuff the platform just doesn't need as a defensive gun. The only thing I will do is put on better sights.
 
#31 ·
Part of the young guys have plastic guns probably has to do with 2 (3?) things.

1 - they are made famous by tv and movies with the spray and pray useage
2 - they allow for holding more bullets (see number 1)

#3 is what got me - money/income. Ive owned my G27 since '94. At that time a new glock to me was $385, and a new sig p226 just a couple years later was around $900 with night sights. So budget is key. Ive had a couple more plastic guns since then (shield, pf9, G36, etc); but now I own just the original G27.

As my income has grown, so has my budget for "better" guns. Just this year alone Ive bought 3 Sig p series guns. 2 were over a grand. While I agree that's not a lot of money in the 1911 world (your just getting started); its still decent money compared to all the guns you can buy in the 350-550 range.

So as these people who are currently in the plastic fantastic group, they may find their way.... Everyone wants nicer things, you just have to get to the point of being able to afford them.

My limit is probably a pistol that's around 2K. I haven't bought anything quite that expensive yet, but I'm slowly checking off the boxes in each price group. Next and last pistol purchase (probably) is either going to be a DW specialist or maybe.... Just maybe.... IF I can save long enough to buy one; a LB mono 9mm.
 
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