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Older Colts can be had for little money? Kevin you haven't been watching the market! Ronins work fine and are cheaper than TRPs. Besides the guy needs to decide what mods he wants to have in time.
You are correct. I should have said Colts in general. Just reviewed the first 2-pages of GB. New and old Colts are listed $800 and up. I modified my entry.
 
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I am the poors. Where can I find cheap Colts, please?
Here, the online gun auctions, LGS, widows, guys getting divorced. Seek and ye shall find!
 

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This has been asked and answered many times before.

*Steer-clear of any non-American 1911s. SIGs may be ok.
*Stay away from Auto-Ordnance, base Kimbers, and possibly base SAs.
*Everyone seems to like DWs and higher level SAs like the TRP, and especially the Pro model.
*A used Baer can be had for <$1500 and is an outstanding buy
*Colts are fine. Older ones may be better than newer, but that is subjective.

Tell your friend he will get what he pays for. Spend little money and get a gun w/ low-quality MIM and cast parts. But then again, few 1911-owners actually shoot their 1911s, so junk guns make excellent safe queens.
May I be educated please. What is the problems with "base Kimbers".
and "possibly base SA's".
Just trying to learn before I advise my nephew on those please.
 

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I'd suggest to someone buy a higher end/higher quality 1911. Why? Cause I would argue that the fitment tends to prevent any of the "long known" so called issues with 1911s. The end result is a happy 1911 owner.
 

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I wouldn’t recommend a DW for his first 1911. They can be finicky. Since his budget is below a grand, I’d go for the Ronin.

if you bump your friend to the DW level and he has issues with it…….


DW finicky ????


I've not found that to be the case in the 7 sitting in my safe & range bags.
Solid performance, super parts fit together very nicely and well finished.


There's also the fact that 20 LPI on a TRP might be to aggressive for a new user.
I wish all mine were 20 lpi....a few are...and a few more will be at some point.





May I be educated please. What is the problems with "base Kimbers".
and "possibly base SA's".
Just trying to learn before I advise my nephew on those please.
You mean, aside from them being Kimbers ? 🤣





Let me clarify before someone gets butthurt about any besmirchment of the Kimber name brand they love and cherish.

At one time Kimber customer service sucked outright....as evidenced by many. They seemed more enthused with churning out slick looking magazine advertisements vs. taking care of their actual customers.

I've never been a fan of companies that use plastic triggers, plastic mainspring housings and barrels that rusted when looking at them.

Kimber may have improved....I don't know and have no need to find out. Just a grumpy old guy with opinions who votes with his occasional dollars. :cool:
 

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DW finicky ????


I've not found that to be the case in the 7 sitting in my safe & range bags.
Solid performance, super parts fit together very nicely and well finished.




I wish all mine were 20 lpi....a few are...and a few more will be at some point.







You mean, aside from them being Kimbers ? 🤣





Let me clarify before someone gets butthurt about any besmirchment of the Kimber name brand they love and cherish.

At one time Kimber customer service sucked outright....as evidenced by many. They seemed more enthused with churning out slick looking magazine advertisements vs. taking care of their actual customers.

I've never been a fan of companies that use plastic triggers, plastic mainspring housings and barrels that rusted when looking at them.

Kimber may have improved....I don't know and have no need to find out. Just a grumpy old guy with opinions who votes with his occasional dollars. :cool:
We have different experiences I'm afraid. Out of 5 I own (or have...got rid of two), I've experienced problems with all of them. Odd problems too and different to each pistol.

Barrel hood you can push down with your thumb when in battery (Vigil)

Throwing brass straight back at my face and chipping the Duty Treat at the leading edge of the ejection port. I'm still amazed that brass chipped it. (ECP .45)

Galling (Heritage)

Chipping on the breech face guide block (A2)

Magazines wouldn't drop clear and pistol wouldn't go to slide lock (Specialist .45)

My "finnicky" comment also comes from their long, break-in process. My Specialist 9mm (which is my IDPA ESP pistol) took about 800 rounds to run properly. I also had to adjust the extractor to get it "there".

YMMV

My Wilson and Nighthawk have been flawless out of the box.
 

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May I be educated please. What is the problems with "base Kimbers".
and "possibly base SA's".
Just trying to learn before I advise my nephew on those please.
Kimbers tend to be on the lower-end of American-built guns. Guns w/ MIM and too many cast-parts cost less, but are of lower quality.

SAs are regarded as being of higher quality, but once again, budget guns get built w/ low-quality parts which will not hold-up under extended usage. I don't hear anything bad about their TRPs, and Pro users really like them.

Caveat Emptor certainly applies to 1911s. I divide 1911-quality into five groups:

Yugos: all the Asian and South American-made junk
Chevies: Lower-end American-made, low-cost Kimbers and SAs, Ruger, Colt, Remington, etc
Cadillacs: Higher-end SAs, DW, not sure if any Kimbers fits here
Porsches: ACW, Brown, Baer, D&L Sports, Nighthawk, Novak, Wilson
Lamborghinis: Krebs, Cabot, Heirloom Precision, and the like

I stick w/ the Porsches as I know I am getting a quality piece w/o MIM and no or a minimum of cast-parts (not that there is necessarily anything wrong w/ cast parts).

With 1911s, you get the fit & finish and parts' quality you pay for. But then again, only 5% of 1911-owners ever put >100-rounds thru them, so they will never learn how well-made their guns are.
 
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Kimbers tend to be on the lower-end of American-built guns. Guns w/ MIM and too many cast-parts cost less, but are of lower quality.

SAs are regarded as being of higher quality, but once again, budget guns get built w/ low-quality parts which will not hold-up under extended usage. I don't hear anything bad about their TRPs, and Pro users really like them.

Caveat Emptor certainly applies to 1911s. I divide 1911-quality into five groups:

Yugos: all the Asian and South American-made junk
Chevies: Lower-end American-made, low-cost Kimbers and SAs, Ruger, Colt, Remington, etc
Cadillacs: Higher-end SAs, DW, not sure if any Kimbers fits here
Porsches: ACW, Brown, Baer, D&L Sports, Nighthawk, Novak, Wilson
Lamborghinis: Krebs, Cabot, Heirloom Precision, and the like

I stick w/ the Porsches as I know I am getting a quality piece w/o MIM and no or a minimum of cast-parts (not that there is necessarily anything wrong w/ cast parts).

With 1911s, you get the fit & finish and parts' quality you pay for. But then again, only 5% of 1911-owners ever put >100-rounds thru them, so they will never learn how well-made their guns are.
Curious about the 5% figure. Is that for real? 95% of 1911 owners never put 100 rounds thru them? Wow. Guess they never heard "if you got em, smoke em"
 

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Curious about the 5% figure. Is that for real? 95% of 1911 owners never put 100 rounds thru them? Wow. Guess they never heard "if you got em, smoke em"
I have bought more than a few Safe Queens that show no holster wear or signs of heavy use. Each to his own.
 
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only 5% of 1911-owners ever put >100-rounds thru them, so they will never learn how well-made their guns are.
Damn, that means I'm in the top 5% every time I go to a range. Seriously, I put more than a hunnert rounds of hollow points through a Brown last time out. I only took 4 boxes of ball though.
 

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Kimbers tend to be on the lower-end of American-built guns. Guns w/ MIM and too many cast-parts cost less, but are of lower quality.

SAs are regarded as being of higher quality, but once again, budget guns get built w/ low-quality parts which will not hold-up under extended usage. I don't hear anything bad about their TRPs, and Pro users really like them.
The TRPs and Pros all have Mim parts from what I have been able to read about them. Kimbers are forged slide barrel and frame but also have MIM parts, You have to step up to like a Dan Wesson to get a gun with no MIM parts. Maybe some other Springfield models are MIM free but not the TRP. I have a few kimbers all have been good only shot plastic Springers. bbut I like them. Im thinking about getting a Hellcat.
 

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I guess I'm in that 5% too. I generally shoot at least 100 rounds through every pistol I take to the range every time I go. Generally that's at least once a month now. Before the ammo crunch that was at least once every two weeks. I hope I can shoot enough to wear out a pistol or break a bad part or something like that. I have been shooting regularly since I was a kid and I have never worn out a gun of any type. I am 69 now.
 

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I’m a Dam Wesson fan, I carry a Valor pretty often. Not sure you will find any in that price range but good luck.
 

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DW finicky ????


I've not found that to be the case in the 7 sitting in my safe & range bags.
Solid performance, super parts fit together very nicely and well finished.




I wish all mine were 20 lpi....a few are...and a few more will be at some point.







You mean, aside from them being Kimbers ? 🤣





Let me clarify before someone gets butthurt about any besmirchment of the Kimber name brand they love and cherish.

At one time Kimber customer service sucked outright....as evidenced by many. They seemed more enthused with churning out slick looking magazine advertisements vs. taking care of their actual customers.

I've never been a fan of companies that use plastic triggers, plastic mainspring housings and barrels that rusted when looking at them.

Kimber may have improved....I don't know and have no need to find out. Just a grumpy old guy with opinions who votes with his occasional dollars. :cool:
Never met anyone that had good luck with Kimber starting a long time ago. Customer service was "nothing wrong with our pistols" so it ended up going to a gunsmith or selling it. This included Law Enforcement Officers. Recently a LE Agency shipped a 100 Kimbers back to the factory because they were out of spec.

Sorry but I have nothing nice to say about that company, even if they tried to give me one free.
 
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