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Bob Campbell published an article with USCCA about a month ago on the merits of the AK for home defense:

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/eastern-cousin-ak-rifles-for-home-defense/

I thought he brought up some fair points. A home defense rifle, or truck gun for that matter, is ideally something that is easily stored out of the way and requires minimal maintenance. An AK with folding stock naturally satisfies this requirement. In regards to accuracy, the AK is good enough. Self defense usually means shooting inside of 50 yards. Sub MOA accuracy just doesn't buy you any advantages at such short distances.

He spoke of 7.62x39 as being a "harder hitting" round, while still having manageable recoil. I get what he means, and I don't disagree. However, in my research it would seem that the lethality of a particular cartridge is more nuanced than bullet size and/or muzzle energy.
 

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I want an AK but if we're talking <50y (or <100y or 150) .458 socom is king. I cheaped out and went .50 Beo. Wouldn't do it again now that I reload. In my experience, a quality(ish) AR can be neglected, even abused, and run reliably for much longer than the interweb would lead you to believe. Not knocking AK's, I want one, wouldn't be my go to HD gun. Truck gun probably though if I kept it in a tool box and just threw it in there.
 

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This article was old fat dude gun store bs. An AK platform and 7.62x39 have merits but that article was nothing new, not even a good subjective eval.
I guess I agree as I am old and fat and would instead use my Scout Squad. Hoping in my fat old dude way I could stop em outside of 100 yards. Or maybe since I am old and fat, they will just whiz on past and not worry about me being a threat. Not sure about gun store bs. I still work full time and so, can't hang around listening to the mall ninja young guy wanna be bs that has never been shot at and thinks it would be fun. Lemme tell ya....it is not.
 

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I want an AK but if we're talking <50y (or <100y or 150) .458 socom is king. I cheaped out and went .50 Beo. Wouldn't do it again now that I reload. In my experience, a quality(ish) AR can be neglected, even abused, and run reliably for much longer than the interweb would lead you to believe. Not knocking AK's, I want one, wouldn't be my go to HD gun. Truck gun probably though if I kept it in a tool box and just threw it in there.
I completely agree.
If you go 458, ensure you get a Tomix barrel and bolt.
 

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Bob Campbell published an article with USCCA about a month ago on the merits of the AK for home defense:

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/eastern-cousin-ak-rifles-for-home-defense/

I thought he brought up some fair points. A home defense rifle, or truck gun for that matter, is ideally something that is easily stored out of the way and requires minimal maintenance. An AK with folding stock naturally satisfies this requirement. In regards to accuracy, the AK is good enough. Self defense usually means shooting inside of 50 yards. Sub MOA accuracy just doesn't buy you any advantages at such short distances.

He spoke of 7.62x39 as being a "harder hitting" round, while still having manageable recoil. I get what he means, and I don't disagree. However, in my research it would seem that the lethality of a particular cartridge is more nuanced than bullet size and/or muzzle energy.
The AK is over rated. It’s not ergonomic, it lacks the easy ability to mount optics as well as lights.
 

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I want an AK but if we're talking <50y (or <100y or 150) .458 socom is king. I cheaped out and went .50 Beo. Wouldn't do it again now that I reload. In my experience, a quality(ish) AR can be neglected, even abused, and run reliably for much longer than the interweb would lead you to believe. Not knocking AK's, I want one, wouldn't be my go to HD gun. Truck gun probably though if I kept it in a tool box and just threw it in there.
If you're a reloader, then non traditional calibers become viable options. The .458 SOCOM is a very interesting round.

If you're not a reloader, on the other hand, then paying $3 a round for something like .458 just isn't practical (for most people). Even paying around $1 to $1.50 per round for 300 BLK or 50 beo may not be practical for some.

The ballistic gel tests for TulAmmo 154gr 7.62x39 SP have been impressive. Factor in the price of about 25 cents per round, and I can see why some people are giving the AK (and SKS) a second look.

To put it more succinctly, if you're budget conscious, I think the AKM is still worth looking at. Otherwise, I agree that an AR loaded in a modern/special purpose caliber (.300 BLK, .458 SOCOM, etc) is probably going to be a better option.
 
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I guess I agree as I am old and fat and would instead use my Scout Squad. Hoping in my fat old dude way I could stop em outside of 100 yards. Or maybe since I am old and fat, they will just whiz on past and not worry about me being a threat. Not sure about gun store bs. I still work full time and so, can't hang around listening to the mall ninja young guy wanna be bs that has never been shot at and thinks it would be fun. Lemme tell ya....it is not.
I guess I agree as I am old and fat and would instead use my Scout Squad. Hoping in my fat old dude way I could stop em outside of 100 yards. Or maybe since I am old and fat, they will just whiz on past and not worry about me being a threat. Not sure about gun store bs. I still work full time and so, can't hang around listening to the mall ninja young guy wanna be bs that has never been shot at and thinks it would be fun. Lemme tell ya....it is not.
I'm not hating on any Old Fat dudes, you do you how you do. I simply was pointing out the article added nothing but echo camber BS on one of the favorite gun debate topics. But I have to disagree on another point. Getting shot at can be fun, shooting back or shooting first is more fun, and killing ISIS is a great feeling, from personnel experience, but maybe being on sub could be cool???
 

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I'm not hating on any Old Fat dudes, you do you how you do. I simply was pointing out the article added nothing but echo camber BS on one of the favorite gun debate topics. But I have to disagree on another point. Getting shot at can be fun, shooting back or shooting first is more fun, and killing ISIS is a great feeling, from personnel experience, but maybe being on sub could be cool???
Submarines were only part of my Navy adventures, spent some time with USMC as their "doc", a few adventures in unusual places.
 
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