Color Case Hardening wearing off

Discussion in 'General 1911 talk' started by Ted A Mc, Jul 30, 2020.

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  1. Ted A Mc

    Ted A Mc Well-Known Member

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    Oct 28, 2019
    My Dan Wesson Valor CCH is wearing off in places. Where it is wearing I've had it wear before on other blued guns but not this quickly with such little handling IMG_2555.jpg . Is this common with CCH 1911s? Can CCH be redone? I don't shoot the Valor very often and probably have less than 500 rounds through it.
     
  2. SLAM37

    SLAM37 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2016
    Looks cool ... embrace it.
     
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  3. Cop_Out

    Cop_Out Pearl Pimp Supporting Addict

    Feb 3, 2017
    I've read the CCH is pretty fragile, and wears in areas where perspiration makes contact with the gun. Personally, I like the " wabi-sabi" your gun has.
     
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  4. july19

    july19 Womb? Weary? He rests. He has travelled. Supporting Addict

    Sep 16, 2013
    It doesn’t look like what you bought; I’d give them a call.
     
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  5. Les White

    Les White Well-Known Member

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    Nov 17, 2015
    I would be suspect of the authenticity of their process if it wears that easily. A call to them should tell the story.
     
  6. Babboonbobo

    Babboonbobo Avatar is back to my favorite things!

    Nov 18, 2014
    How is cch done that it would wear off like that? That looks like wear from a coating. My thought on how the process would work would not let it wear off, as it would be deep into the metal. I guess I don’t understand how it’s applied.
     
  7. Slapshot

    Slapshot Well-Known Member

    Sep 6, 2017
    Not an expert by any means but I believe there’s the original way and a newer “chemical” treatment. I’m sure somebody that knows more about it will chime in soon.
     
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  8. CoalCracker.

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  9. stlgecko

    stlgecko Gecko Lives Matter

    May 24, 2014
    Yes CCH wears extremely easily. Sometimes they apply a clear coat of ceracote to aid in protecting it. Guncrafter spec’s it to be done that way from turnbull. And to answer your question, it can be safely refinished. I was told that directly by a guy at Turnbull. I would just embrace the wear and eventually refinish if it bugs you.
     
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  10. AJP

    AJP Well-Known Member

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    Jun 15, 2017
    That is very disappointing...
     
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  11. JM44

    JM44 Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Feb 2, 2018
    very good to know! I, apparently ignorantly, assumed CCH was a durable finish due to the arduous process it entails. I do know Keith said these are traditional CCH and not the chemical type. Wow, this has me rethinking a build now...
     
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  12. Ted A Mc

    Ted A Mc Well-Known Member

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    Oct 28, 2019
    I don't either. I need to look into how it is done. I like the look of a well worn 1911 but this CCH seems pretty darn thin.
     
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  13. Colorado Sonny

    Colorado Sonny Deo Volente Supporting Addict

    Sep 25, 2015
    Bobby Tyler of Tyler Gun Works uses a special sealer/bonding agent.
     
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  14. bnaples

    bnaples Well-Known Member

    Jun 24, 2013
    Turnbull uses a clearcoat afterwards but it will never be a durable finish.
     
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  15. Roehl

    Roehl Well-Known Member

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    Jun 19, 2019
    It seems that their process is very fragile. I have SAA armies and by colt, USFA, and Uberti that dont show that type of wear. Very disappointing because I have debated on getting that gun. 500 rounds is a very low round count.


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  16. swampgas

    swampgas Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Mar 10, 2019
    I'm certain most here have seen old first series SA Colts with case hardened frames, some wear but not much on guns around 100+ years old. But I suspect the chemicals they used on the old guns are on everyone's no-no list these days. Just my opinion and it most likely is wrong. LOL
     
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  17. EvolutionArmory

    EvolutionArmory Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    This.

    CCH is a very weak finish, even with clear coat.
     
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  18. Mike A

    Mike A Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Mar 19, 2017
    True CH is by flame, or so I thought, & I too have seen 100 year old + Guns without
    this type of wear. How did they do the CH on this piistol?
     
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  19. Babboonbobo

    Babboonbobo Avatar is back to my favorite things!

    Nov 18, 2014
    See that’s what I thought!! I’m a welder and expected cch to be done that way and not a coating or chemical process! Kind of ruins it for me!:(
     
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  20. rmac

    rmac Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

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    Jan 26, 2016
    252463EC-693F-4E95-A35C-B5BE9F9BF00E.jpeg True Case Hardening is done by packing the item in charred bone meal and placing in a sealed container then into a heat source of a specific temperature for a specific length of time. Different metal thicknesses will, due to temperature transference attain different shades with the edges being a lighter shade.
    The carbon of the charred bone meal transfers into the steel.
    The colors are only a few thousandth of an inch deep.
    Some manufacturers, in days long past, did coat the surface with a preservative.
    Done properly the colors are very durable. Even when the colors wear off the finish is still harder than woodpecker lips.
    The Case Hardening on this Westley Richards was done in 1891 so I’d say it’s rather durable when done correctly
     
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