Commander size 1911s

Discussion in 'General 1911 talk' started by Pit Bull 45acp, Nov 26, 2018.

  1. Pit Bull 45acp

    Pit Bull 45acp Well-Known Member

    Mar 4, 2015
    Wilson Combat ULC Commander 4 ns (1504 x 1000).jpg Prior to September I did not own a Commander size 1911. I carried Govt size 45acp on the job. After retiring from full time LE, I purchased a Wilson Combat Combat LW-LR 45acp for EDC.

    I attended a shooting event @ Wilson Combat and had the pleasure of shooting several Commander size 1911's. A couple of them were 9mm's. I have always heard 9mm 1911'a are not reliable. After this two day event, I knew this notion was not correct.

    I decided to purchase a 9mm Commander. I came across a Wilson Combat Ultralight Carry Commander, 9mm, with a rounded mag well, ambidextrous thumb safety as well as ball endmill cuts, carry checkering with three magazines. The price was such that I checked with Steve Kelley @ Wilson Combat to insure the pistol left WC as advertised.
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  2. Pit Bull 45acp

    Pit Bull 45acp Well-Known Member

    Mar 4, 2015
    Wilson Combat Hackathorn Special Nov 2018 1 (1504 x 1000).jpg I really like the full size grip with the shorter slide. However I still have a bias toward the 9mm in a 1911 frame as a primary carry. But dang if this gun isn't sweet to shoot.

    I sent Jess @ The Wichita Gun Club and told him to be on the look out for a ULC Commander in 45acp. He responded he had a Wilson Combat Hackathorn Special Commander with the light weight frame he had just taken in but had not listed it yet. On top of that the pistol just came back from Wilson with a fresh face lift of black Armor Tuff. Jess gave me a very good price. Thanks again Jess!

    So I now have two Commander size 1911's, one in 9mm and the other in 45acp that are nearly identical. For now this 45acp will be my EDC, subject to change.

    Now I know why I got another part time job.
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  3. Pit Bull 45acp

    Pit Bull 45acp Well-Known Member

    Mar 4, 2015
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  4. Sneaky One

    Sneaky One Well-Known Member

    Aug 14, 2016
    Beautiful weapons. Congrats
  5. Pit Bull 45acp

    Pit Bull 45acp Well-Known Member

    Mar 4, 2015
    Thanks. This is the Hack after the range in a bit of rain.

    I can post picture now. ??? After range.jpg
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  6. Haroldg48

    Haroldg48 Active Member

    Jul 27, 2018
    I don't often say this, but....I'm envious. I carry a lightweight commander 45 which is a Ruger. I love it, but would love either of those two more!
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  7. 7.62Kolectr

    7.62Kolectr On guard

    Jun 6, 2018
    Sweet Heat right there!
  8. Fred_G

    Fred_G Known Agitator

    Dec 29, 2015
    OMG, you shot your gun in the rain!? :eek:

    LOL, sweet looking guns, sounds like you run them.
  9. TheCollector

    TheCollector Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    I was with you until you said the part about getting a job...
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  10. dakota1911

    dakota1911 Well-Known Member

    Feb 19, 2015
    If you call a Commander a 4.25 inch barrel/slide with a traditional recoil spring plug and guide rod then I do love them.
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  11. Pit Bull 45acp

    Pit Bull 45acp Well-Known Member

    Mar 4, 2015
    4.25" barrel & bushing / slide
    Full size grip
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  12. Karsten

    Karsten Well-Known Member

    Feb 19, 2013
    I thought a Commander was a 4 -4.25 inch barrel with the Short Grip....Same as an Officer Size....Then for some reason SA came out with the Champion built on a Full Size Frame with a 4 inch slide that made no sense to me.....The Slide is the easy part to conceal and the Grip is what gives it away.

    I have one of the last 2nd Gen SA LWT Compacts that they got right (1st gen Steel Frame sucked and was drop way early) But the 2nd Gen was dropped so they could put funding toward the Champion line.......

    No SA has gone back to offering the Range Office Compact that is nothing more than I bought 15 plus years ago.

    Note....Not that SA is the Go To for Model Size

    SA Lwt Compact with my Colt New Agent (officer Model) getting sights.


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  13. Pit Bull 45acp

    Pit Bull 45acp Well-Known Member

    Mar 4, 2015
    I'm going by my understanding of Colt's original model designations.
    5" Full size - Government model
    4.25" with full size grip - Commander
    3.5" with shorter grip - Officer's model

    I realize there are other difference such as dust cover, bushing, etc. By Commander I'm referring to a 4.25" slid, barrel with bushing and a full size grip.

    I have 4" Wilson Combat Compacts but that is not what I'm referring to in this thread.

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  14. griffonsec

    griffonsec Well-Known Member

    Feb 24, 2012
    If I'm not mistaken, the commander slide on officer frame is commonly known as a CCO, yes?

    Commanders have always been on full size frames.
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  15. Pit Bull 45acp

    Pit Bull 45acp Well-Known Member

    Mar 4, 2015
    Yes on 4.25" on full size grip as best I know.

    Part of the problem is the manufactures use their own names for their models.
    Colt, Dan Wesson (and others) call a 4.25" with an "Officer" frame a CCO
    Wilson Combat (and others) calls a 4" bull barrel with an "Officer" frame a Compact

    Of course just using the term "Officer" frame was started by Colt, I believe. They don't all call them that, I don't believe.

    When I say a full size frame, I'm referring to the grip takes the standard 7 round magazine.
    A shorter frame takes the 6 round magazine. But of course that just starts another issue that can be confusing. 7 round or 8 round. LOL.

    And I'm sure I've gotten some or all of this wrong. I'm just a gun bunny as we used to call it.

    I the attached pic:
    Top pistol my 9mm ULC-Commander - a 4.25" slide, barrel with bushing, full length grip
    Bottom pistol my 45 CQB Compact - a 4" slide, bull barrel (no bushing), shorter Officer grip
    Wilson Combat ULC Commander and LR-LW Compact 1 (1504 x 1000).jpg
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  16. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    Long Slide = greater than 5.0" barrel / slide on full size (standard) frame.
    Government = 5.0" barrel / slide on full size (standard) frame.
    Commander = less than 5.0" barrel / slide on full size (standard) frame.
    Officers = less than 4.5" barrel / slide on shortened frame.
    Compact / CCO = Less than 4.0" barrel / slide on shortened frame.

    Zoid has spoken . . . .
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  17. LPRoad

    LPRoad Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Mar 16, 2015
    Nice pistolas. My edc is a steel frame commander sized pistol.

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  18. azguy1911

    azguy1911 I'm done buying guns, I'm just a bystander now

    Oct 22, 2015
    Welcome to the 9mm club, ULC's in commander or CCO makes for a great EDC ;) next you need a 38 super :)
  19. WC145

    WC145 Every day is Saturday and every night's a party!

    Jan 1, 2013
    Per Colt:
    5" barrel/slide with full size frame = Government Model
    4.25" with full size frame = Commander
    4.25" with shorter frame = Concealed Carry Officer's (CCO)
    3.5" with shorter frame = Officer's ACP
    3" with shorter frame = Defender or New Agent

    Per current market/gun forum vernacular:
    5" barrel/slide with full size frame = Full size
    4"-4.25" with full size frame = Commander or mid-size, sometimes compact
    4"-4.25" with shorter frame = CCO or compact
    3"-3.5" with shorter frame = Officer's, compact, or subcompact

    Naturally every manufacturer has their own names/designations for different versions and Colt has made some odd balls over the years like 3.5" barrels/slides on full size frames so nothing is written in stone.
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  20. WC145

    WC145 Every day is Saturday and every night's a party!

    Jan 1, 2013
    I've mostly owned Gov't sized 1911s with a few Commander and Officer's sized versions scattered here and there over the years but a few years ago I really took a liking to Commanders and gained a new appreciation for them. Out of the 1911s I have, two of my favorites are Commanders, and, of those two, my Wiley Clapp Commander is my regular carry gun. Don't have one in 9mm but if they're half as fun to shoot as a full size 9mm 1911 they must be a blast.

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