DLC vs DVC finish

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  1. GrandpoppyJack

    GrandpoppyJack Member

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    Jul 16, 2018
    Just wondering what the difference is between DLC and DVC finish/coating. I’ve seen new Staccato C pistols listed both ways. Should I be looking at one over the other?
     
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    Wheels No More Long gone

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  3. july19

    july19 Womb? Weary? He rests. He has travelled. Supporting Addict

    Sep 16, 2013
    I may be wrong but I believe you are referring to the same coating applied by different delivery methods; DVC and PLC refer to two types of delivery.
    I may be wrong.;)
     
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  4. retrieverman

    retrieverman Well-Known Member

    May 16, 2013
    I believe you mean PVD (physical vapor deposition) and DLC (diamond like coating).
     
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  5. Integrity Arms

    Integrity Arms 1911 Pistol Smith

    Mar 20, 2017
    Both of these finishes are applied using the same method, if I am understanding correctly. Each place that does these physical vapor deposition finishes have their own name for it. I was told that PVD is a Diamond like Alloy, or DLA and The DLC is a Diamond Like Carbon.. All these abbreviations I believe are just a way for the companies that apply them by the same process to make it their own so to speak.. Each calls it what they will, but the process is the same.. Heat temps are different by 300 degrees for a DLA or PVD finish which is applied at 450 degrees, and the DLC is applied at 750 degrees. this makes PVD possible to do on aluminum as the temperature is such that it won't affect the Aluminum. But, should be done over anodizing. And the Carbon like coating is merely another finish applied by the same physical Vapor Deposition, but varies slightly in chemical make up.. each place that does it has their own name for it, and it may even slightly in color from one applicator to another. Either way both are very good finishes and if my understanding is correct DLC is a bit more durable over all. And when it comes right down to it, I have not seen any real literature that rightly explains the differences in any real detail..
     
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  6. WC145

    WC145 Every day is Saturday and every night's a party!

    Jan 1, 2013
    PVD (Physical Vapor Deposition) is a method of application.

    DLC (Diamond Like Carbon) is a coating, Ionbond is the best known supplier to the gun industry but there are others.
     
  7. Integrity Arms

    Integrity Arms 1911 Pistol Smith

    Mar 20, 2017
    That is probably the best definition, in a round about way that is what I was trying to get across, there are several finishes applied through the PVD process, Chromium Nitride, Titanium Nitride, DLC, DLA etc.. nearly all these had their first application in the tooling and or medical equipment technologies before ever becoming a firearm finish.. Night hawk gets a high mark for their DLC coatings which is actually done through Tech Metals. They supply several other major manufacturers as well.
     
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  8. BBP

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    Feb 1, 2014
    As far as I know the Staccato was originally produced in Cerakote and now in DLC. STI makes DVC model guns and I believe there may have just been a typo in the listing.

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  9. Busa Dave

    Busa Dave Well-Known Member

    Mar 3, 2018
    Yes, both if done properly are tough as "HE double LL" as my Grandmother used to say! Process is key lots to choose from :)
     
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  10. Descartian

    Descartian Well-Known Member

    Apr 13, 2017
    So just in case the the above replies weren’t clear.

    The DVC is a model line with STI, not a coating.

    DLC (Diamond Like Carbon) is an amazing finish that is applied by PVD (Physical Vapor Disposition). There are a lot of different PVD coatings out there. Titanium Nitride (TiN) and DLC are the two most common PVD gun coatings. They are applied at a few microns thick and are extremely durable as well as aid in lubricity.
     
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  11. GrandpoppyJack

    GrandpoppyJack Member

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    Jul 16, 2018
    Thanks everyone. I understand now. DLC = very good :)
     
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  12. Descartian

    Descartian Well-Known Member

    Apr 13, 2017
    Every gun I’m having built will have DLC or similar PVD coating. It is not necessarily cheap but it is extremely durable.
     
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  13. Integrity Arms

    Integrity Arms 1911 Pistol Smith

    Mar 20, 2017
    While PVD is a process it was also at one time considered a coating in and of it'self. The chemical compositions and changes to the process brought about the other labeled finishes. PVD was indeed not only the name given to the process it was at one time and still is in the minds of some an actual finish. Colors can vary, based on the types of chemicals and metal composition added to the process. Different names of course are given to each of those as well. The brand names are given for the purpose of individuality and it makes wise business sense to label different even though a lot of finishes are not unique, but the same as another finish with a different name.. A good example or one example of this is Ed Browns Gen III finish.. "which if I am not mistaken is Cerakote" But, for the sake of branding and individualizing is called a Gen 3 finish..
     
  14. dvs6

    dvs6 Active Member

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    Feb 17, 2018
    After researching a lot of different "coatings," I went with DLC on my current build.

    dvs6
     
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