does anyone remember the LLama?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Just Terry, Jan 26, 2019.

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  1. Just Terry

    Just Terry Well-Known Member

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    Dec 24, 2018
    My friend bought a new LLama 1911 in 1974 with a box of ammo and holster for $60. This was back when Colt 1911`s were rare to find . Come to think of it,any decent handgun was hard to find at that time. He shot it quite a bit,but dont remember if her had any issues with it or not.Not exactly a stellar handgun by today`s standards.......... th.jpeg
     
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  2. Cop_Out

    Cop_Out Pearl Pimp Supporting Addict

    Feb 3, 2017
    I recall seeing those guns around in the early 1980s. It's a Spanish company, no?
     
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  3. WC145

    WC145 Every day is Saturday and every night's a party!

    Jan 1, 2013
    I remember Llama well, well enough that I wouldn't buy one of their autos. However, their revolvers were pretty decent guns, I picked up this barely used Super Comanche .44mag for a song last year at a LGS.
    [​IMG]
     
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  4. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    Llama were made in Spain by a company named Gabilondo y Urresti. All of their 1911 style firearms are varients of the 1911 with less than 50% of the parts being interchangeable, unlike the Argentinian DGFM-FMAP Sistema pistols, which are true clones. They track more along the lines of the Ballestero - Molina Argentinian pistols in terms of interchangeability.

    Wikipedia has a pretty good write up on them. Here is an excerpt.

    "Llama Firearms, officially known as Llama-Gabilondo y Cia SA, was a Spanish arms company founded in 1904 under the name Gabilondo and Urresti. ... Llama manufactured moderate-priced revolvers and self-chambering pistols in a bewildering variety of models."

    They made some interesting 1911 varients in the years between WWI and WWII. I have been fortunate enough to pick up a few along the way. The model your friend bought looks like a mid 1970's Model IX-A or IX-B. The A model has an internal extractor, where the B model they switched to an external extractor. I own an IX-A, an it is a really interesting piece.
     
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  5. Harleyvato

    Harleyvato Well-Known Member

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    Apr 8, 2017
    I had one of the smaller framed.22LR. Pistols that was a great little gun.one of my buddies liked it so much I gave it to him. Kind of miss it sometimes!
     
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  6. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    Here are a couple of my earlier Llama's manufactured between 1933 and 1941. Their standard caliber back then was 9mm Largo, a 9x23 round very similar to .38 ACP.

    Llama (Model IV) 1911 - 001.JPG

    Llama (Model IV) 1911 - 009.JPG

    Llama Extra (Model VII) 1911 - 008.JPG

    Llama Extra (Model VII) 1911 - 004.JPG

    Llama Model V - 001.JPG
     
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  7. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    The top models, the Llama Extras, are considered "long slides" with 5.5" barrels.

    Here is are a couple pictures of my entire "herd of Llama's"


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    The Model IX-A, the only .45 ACP I have, is featured below.


    Llama Collection - 002.JPG



    Looking closer at your friends gun, it looks like it might be a B due to the two-piece slide stop.
     
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  8. Jim w.

    Jim w. Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2016
    Llama was the US brand name for Gabilondos. The European market got Rubys and Taulers.

    A friend has a Llama 87 which owes nothing to 1911, it locks up like a Beretta.
     
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  9. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    While Wikipedia has a pretty good write up on the older Llama's, if you want to go REALLY deep down the rabbit hole, check out this site.

    https://carbinesforcollectors.com/llamapage.html

    I have corresponded with it's author. One of my guns, the Model IV, he has only seen once in the US other than my example.

    My Model IV is unique as it's original barrel was rechambered for 9mm Luger at the factory it is believed.

    The stamping, while crudely aligned, is the correct font.




    Llama (Model IV) 1911 - 020.JPG
     
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  10. wrmiller

    wrmiller The Tinker

    Oct 29, 2016
    I had one, a long time ago. Used to carry it on motorcycle trips.
     
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  11. Jim w.

    Jim w. Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2016
    How do you rechamber a 9mm Largo to Luger? Nonte bushing?
     
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  12. WhoIsJohnGalt?

    WhoIsJohnGalt? We Are! Supporting Addict

    Feb 20, 2018
    I recall that Llama was one of the few (perhaps only?) handgun brands that the local Wal-Mart carried about 20-plus years ago before getting out of the handgun business entirely.

    I’ve never owned one but considered it a while back - nice pics and history in this thread!
     
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  13. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    Barrel sleeve. You can see the outline of the reaming and the sleeve insert in these photos. A few extra shots of 9mm Largo and Luger rounds in chamber.

    Llama (Model IV) 1911 - 028.JPG


    9mm Largo

    Llama (Model IV) 1911 - 021.JPG


    9mm Luger

    Llama (Model IV) 1911 - 024.JPG

    Llama (Model IV) 1911 - 035.JPG
     
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  14. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    I have a good friend that did the same . . . LOL
     
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  15. Jim w.

    Jim w. Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2016
    Interesting, a full chamber sleeve, not a Nonte bushing.

    I read of an American bullseye gunsmith who did that to accurize a Colt .38 Super instead of the tedious conversion to .38 Special.
     
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  16. Karsten

    Karsten Well-Known Member

    Feb 19, 2013
    I still have a couple Micro Max double stack (subcompacts)

    1 is NIB and the other has nothing but FTE/FTF issues and has yet to have emptied a mag.

    [​IMG]

    Then I have this NIB 9MM ordered by the King Hussein for the pilots of the Royal Jordanian Air Force. When he died the contract was canceled and Llama was supposed to have destroyed the pistol that were then produced.....came with 2 serial numbered mags to match the SN on the pistol, Royal Crest.

    [​IMG]

    Karsten
     
  17. Just Terry

    Just Terry Well-Known Member

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    Dec 24, 2018
    Yes
     
  18. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014

    I saw that listing on GB. Congrats.
     
  19. Karsten

    Karsten Well-Known Member

    Feb 19, 2013
    Which listing....I have had all 3 of these for some 15 maybe 17 years but I did buy them on GB,

    Karsten
     

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