Dropping slide ?

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  1. MFM22

    MFM22 Member

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    Sep 15, 2020
    i was in shop today looking at a DW PMC. Owner came over when he saw I was going to drop slide ( on empty chamber of course) Asked for the gun , took magazine out and gently closed slide . Said " you can do that once it's your gun "
    I've seen articles & videos on both sides of this issue I wasn't really put off by his comment although he could have used it as a teaching moment , and explained the why.

    Any thoughts about this are welcome . How much damage would this do to internals ?
     
  2. Dreadnought

    Dreadnought Well-Known Member

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    May 5, 2020
    Supposedly doing it a lot will damage the quality of the trigger pull. I didn’t catch why... but that was the result.

    So it matters less on a cheap 1911, and is a big deal on expensive ones.
     

  3. El Perdido

    El Perdido Fictional Western Sage

    Oct 3, 2011
    1. Don't drop the slide on a gun that doesn't belong to you

    2. Dropping the slide can belch up the hammer/sear interface

    3. What did the videos/articles that you have previously seen/read say?

    4. Did you learn anything from the videos/articles you saw/read?
     
  4. switchback

    switchback Well-Known Member

    Jun 2, 2014
    Yep, I would've asked you not to drop the slide too, had I owned or been selling the pistol.
     
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  5. freeride1

    freeride1 Active Member

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    Dec 16, 2013
    This, it’s etiquette. Just like not cowboying a revolver that isn’t yours.
     
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  6. HooDoo Man

    HooDoo Man Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Dec 26, 2017
    If a salesman or such drops the slide on an empty 1911 chamber. He can keep it. Period.
     
  7. MFM22

    MFM22 Member

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    Sep 15, 2020
    One of the videos that bill Wilson has discussed this and they said the finer the gun the more it matters .
    I get it and no complaints about the warning . Wondering why other shops have not mentioned this
    I try to use all controls just to make sure of their feel . I'm actually glad he pointed this out

    I know lots of shooters will drop slide on a reload but the chamfering if a round acts as a buffer
    So it's totally different to wear and tear
     
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  8. azguy1911

    azguy1911 I'm done buying guns, I'm just a bystander now

    Oct 22, 2015
    The WCR posted this years ago on TOOS

    The only time damage can occur to the hammer/sear engagement is if the hammer actually falls to half cock on the sear nose. Even then it would typically have to happen several times to cause a problem.

    I do not condone dropping the slide on an empty chamber. Doing it repeatedly over and over will certainly put undue wear and stress on your slide/barrel fit...but an occasional slide drop won't hurt your gun.


    If it hurts your gun who really knows, just don't do it on a gun you don't own, period.
     
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  9. El Perdido

    El Perdido Fictional Western Sage

    Oct 3, 2011
    Interesting. I always drop the slide when chambering a round
     
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  10. wrmiller

    wrmiller The Tinker

    Oct 29, 2016
    Not the same.
     
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  11. wrmiller

    wrmiller The Tinker

    Oct 29, 2016
    You got it. The pistol is designed to strip and chamber a round when the slide is going forward. It isn't designed to have the barrel's lower lugs slam into the slide stop pin at full speed, i.e. on an empty chamber.
     
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  12. El Perdido

    El Perdido Fictional Western Sage

    Oct 3, 2011
    Duh

    I was calling attention to this, which implies some shooters letting the slide down with ones hand when reloading




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  13. Songcatcher

    Songcatcher Nose to the grindstone

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    Mar 15, 2018
    Like the man said...
    I've had a couple folks do that to my guns that weren't even 1911's and it still left a bad taste in my mouth towards that person, one who won't be laying hands on my weapons again anytime soon after he did it three times in a row to a brand new gun I hadn't even shot yet.
     
  14. pistolwretch

    pistolwretch Dremel jockey Supporting Addict

    Aug 26, 2011
    It's quite like slamming the door on a very nice car.
     
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  15. gun_fan111

    gun_fan111 Well-Known Member

    Mar 23, 2014
    How do all of you guys test for hammer follow after cleaning your guns? I thought the best test is to release the slide on an empty chamber...
     
  16. UBOATDOC

    UBOATDOC THE DOCTOR WILL SEE YOU......LATER Supporting Addict

    Apr 5, 2015
    I am guessing that the esteemed gunsmiths you find here amongst us do not routinely do this.....so if Joe Chambers, Bill Miller, Jason Burton, Karl Beining, Greg Derr and Bill Wilson, Steve Owens et al don't....I won't.
     
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  17. wrmiller

    wrmiller The Tinker

    Oct 29, 2016
    Unless I alter/change sear or hammer spring tensions, or mess with the sear and hammer geometry there is no need. Or at least I've never found a need.

    Also, I'm pretty good at just testing the trigger by dry firing with a snap cap. I can usually tell if a trigger is on the 'ragged edge' of stability so to speak. I don't know how to explain it, but I can feel it.
     
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  18. Uncle Bob

    Uncle Bob Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2017
    Nope, unless you disconnect the ignition system by holding the trigger, it does bounce the hammer on the sear. Not advisable with any 1911
     
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  19. UBOATDOC

    UBOATDOC THE DOCTOR WILL SEE YOU......LATER Supporting Addict

    Apr 5, 2015
    Like a guitarist.....the "tone is in the fingers".
     
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  20. Uncle Bob

    Uncle Bob Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2017
    It's the way I check trigger jobs. I can fairly accurately call them. The term is tactile feel.
     
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