Dwyer Group Gripper

Discussion in '1911 Gunsmithing' started by ForesterPumice, Dec 8, 2016.

  1. ForesterPumice

    ForesterPumice Not a Gunsmith, but learning more everyday.

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    Sep 23, 2016
    Has anyone used this?

    Wilson combat sells them, here is their write up.. . I needed a GI style recoil guide, and I got one for the price of one of them, $10 used, I figured if it's junk I can still use the recoil part.

    I can't imagine it would do much for a proper tight pistol, but for one with say , over filed lugs, or looseness from age, or guns cobbled together from mismatched parts.... it seems helpful.

    The theory looks sound to me, it presses the barrel up into the upper lugs by using a ledge attached to the lower barrel bushing.

    I might just happen to have a rattletrap 1911 that just might benefit from one. Paid for it, should have it by Monday.

    This weekend I will go to the indoor range and try some long distance shooting off s rest. I'll save half of the ammo for a proper scientific test. I think 20 and 25 yards will be good enough to see a difference, I'm not sure how far the range I'm going to goes out. I will record and take pics of the first 50 rounds, then , when The group gripper comes, I'll pop it in and repeat the process.

    This is from Wilson's site....


    . Detailed Description
    Improve the accuracy of your 1911's stock barrel by adding a Dwyer "Group Gripper"™. The "Group Gripper"™ is a modified recoil spring guide and barrel link that uses heavy spring tension to force the rear of the barrel up into the locking lugs in the slide. The result is your pistol goes into battery exactly the same time, squeezing the utmost accuracy from your stock barrel. Combined with a #29 target bushing for a simple and inexpensive accuracy job. Minor parts fitting may be required. NOTE: We Recommend using our #22 or #22P Barrel Bushing Wrench with this product.

    [​IMG]Group Gripper instructions

    . Detailed Description
    Improve the accuracy of your 1911's stock barrel by adding a Dwyer "Group Gripper"™. The "Group Gripper"™ is a modified recoil spring guide and barrel link that uses heavy spring tension to force the rear of the barrel up into the locking lugs in the slide. The result is your pistol goes into battery exactly the same time, squeezing the utmost accuracy from your stock barrel. Combined with a #29 target bushing for a simple and inexpensive accuracy job. Minor parts fitting may be required. NOTE: We Recommend using our #22 or #22P Barrel Bushing Wrench with this product.

    [​IMG]Group Gripper instructions


    EDIT. Now I see how it works, there is a tang spring inside the rear of the guide rod, that's what put's pressure on the barrel.

    Shame, I used to have a totally shot out 45 barrel, that someone had severely over filed the lugs, even rounded the edges a bit, I might have given it away, but it could be in my "Bin of Shame" still.

    Will update.
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2016
  2. ForesterPumice

    ForesterPumice Not a Gunsmith, but learning more everyday.

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    Sep 23, 2016
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    According to step 3, "shoot 10's".
    I'm convinced now!

    Seriously tho, I am intrigued with this product, for 10$ ill try it, they cost $30 on Wilson's website, i cant imaging Wilson Combat selling junk. I wish I could afford to try some of the Lippard inventions. Some of them look really interesting, the wide barrel link, etc.
     

  3. JoeGrace14

    JoeGrace14 New Member

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    Jul 24, 2020
    Question, I just installed the Group Gripper, now the slide will not go completely back into battery, it is about 1/32" out. What would cause this?

    Mark
     
  4. HooDoo Man

    HooDoo Man Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Dec 26, 2017
    I tried this gismo years ago. A cheap joke for a bad action. Trying to make up for a bad lock up. Snake oil.
     
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  5. jaydoc

    jaydoc i'm riding a turtle!

    Aug 10, 2012
    Necropost of a ForesterPumice thread- priceless
     
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  6. FWoo45

    FWoo45 Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2017
    Forester is back!
     
  7. *Double Diamond Colt*

    *Double Diamond Colt* Well-Known Member

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  8. Uncle Bob

    Uncle Bob Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2017
    Waste of time and money. They didn't work before Wilson bought the product, there was no improvement after Wilson bought it.

    A well fitted barrel and bushing will do the job better without buying a product that's worthless
     
  9. Capthobo

    Capthobo NRA Endowment member Supporting Addict

    Nov 9, 2016
    Somebody’s nightmare remedy idea for another’s simple problem.
     
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  10. cas

    cas Active Member

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    Jan 8, 2017

    Uh yeah, if you had a well fitted barrel you wouldn't need it. Kinda like saying having an accurate gun is better than having an inaccurate gun. Kind of a given.

    But I HAVE put a group gripper in a loose, inaccurate, POS gun that wasn't worth spending the time and money on fitting a new barrel. It helped... a little. lol
     
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  11. Uncle Bob

    Uncle Bob Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2017
    Money spent on a better barrel and bushing is smarter, even a drop in like Storm Lake or Kart. Group grippers are an astonishing waste of money.
     
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  12. cas

    cas Active Member

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    Jan 8, 2017
    Didn't say I spent anything. And even a the cheapest drop in barrel would have been money wasted on the gun I'm referring to.
     
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  13. Uncle Bob

    Uncle Bob Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2017
    Your choice. However I had an Essex I built as a backup for matches. When I eased off IPSC it became my brush gun. Over it loosened up, rattled when you shook it, but still grouped well at 50 yards. It was mainly barrel and bushing fit
     
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