FBI Handgun Qualification as Drill

Discussion in 'Training' started by gaijin, Mar 1, 2019.

  1. gaijin

    gaijin Well-Known Member

    May 18, 2015
    When I saw the new qualification course of fire, my initial thought was; that's it?

    As a former M/Hi-M (pre Grand Master days USPSA and NRA Action Pistol) competitive shooter, it seemed exceedingly easy.
    I suppose it is, using tuned 1911's and competition rigs.

    As there was some debate over the degree of difficulty, our group decided to do this as a drill, using "service pistols" and carry rigs.

    We shot it today. Temperature was 31 degrees with wind, everyone wearing moderately heavy cover garments. It would have been easier with just shirts/jeans....

    Initially I was going to use a Commander that was one of my carry guns.
    Since most of the planet is using striker guns, I decided to try one for this exercise.
    I shot a CZ P10c which I've had for a month or two.
    As a lifelong 1911 shooter, the transition to a striker gun has been a bit of a struggle.
    "Leather" was Bravo Concealment OWB, Hi ride Kydex.

    The Drill was not a cakewalk.
    I shot a 59 out of 60, pushing one of the 25 yd "kneeling from cover" shots off the target.
    I was virtually certain I'd clean this.
    Most of our crew had trouble with this Qualification.
    (The fact that you can drop TWELVE shots and pass still seems a bit absurd.)

    I'm hoping some here will try this using legit carry guns and holsters.
    FWIW, the mindset needs to be; "aim small, miss small".
    All of the time limits are exceedingly generous. Focus on sight picture, trigger press.

    Please report back results.
    Stay safe.
    T

    Here's the drill-

    FBI Shooting Qualification (New)
    The newest qualification is done on the QIT-99 target which is a slight change from the older qualification target.
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    FBI Qualification Course of Fire
    Standards:
    • Course of fire takes 60 rounds
    • The entire FBI qualification is completed on one QIT-99 Target
    • Each round counts as one point
    • Each course of fire is done from the concealed position
    • Any shot within the target area counts
    • Agents must get a score of 48 out of 60
    • Instructors must get a score of 54 out of 60
    Course of fire #1: 3 Yard Line (12 rounds total)

    1. Draw and fire 3 rounds in 3 second using your strong hand only
    2. Draw and fire 3 rounds in 3 seconds using your strong hand only
    3. Draw and fire 3 rounds using your strong hand only, switch hands, fire 3 rounds using your weak hand only. Both courses of fire must be completed under 8 seconds
    Course of fire #2: 5 Yard Line (12 rounds total)

    1. Draw and fire 3 rounds in 3 seconds
    2. Draw and fire 3 rounds in 3 seconds
    3. Draw and fire 3 rounds in 3 seconds
    4. Draw and fire 3 rounds in 3 seconds
    Course of fire #3: 7 Yard Line (16 rounds total)

    1. Draw and fire 4 rounds in 4 seconds
    2. Draw and fire 4 rounds in 4 seconds
    3. Draw and fire 4 rounds, reload, fire 4 rounds. The entire drill must be completed within 8 seconds
    Course of fire #4: 15 Yard Line (10 rounds total)

    1. Draw and fire 3 rounds in 6 seconds
    2. Draw and fire 3 rounds in 6 seconds
    3. Draw and fire 4 rounds in 8 seconds
    Course of fire #5: 25 Yard Line (10 rounds total)

    1. Move to cover, draw, fire 2 rounds standing, move to kneeling, fire 3 rounds. Complete the course of fire under 15 seconds.
    2. Move to cover, draw, fire 2 rounds standing, move to kneeling, fire 3 rounds. Complete the course of fire under 15 second
     
  2. B81

    B81 Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2018
    I wonder if FBI SWAT is held to a higher standard.
     

  3. Mike Meints

    Mike Meints Well-Known Member

    Mar 2, 2017
    For clarification , is a hit in the square and the rectangle or anywhere on the outline ?
    I tried looking it up and the photos showed both .
    Thanks
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    This one shows 59/60

    I think I just answered my own question …..
     
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  4. gaijin

    gaijin Well-Known Member

    May 18, 2015
    You can see my amazement at the qualification requirements.

    And I would hope FBI SWAT requirements are more stringent, but who knows these days.
    A 54 on this qualification is “instructor” minimum.
     
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  5. tac45

    tac45 What me worry ? Supporting Addict

    Mar 4, 2012
    The new “ politically correct “ FBI in a continueing effort to make sure all firearms training is passable by new agents of all statures and sexs who have never held a weapon much less pulled a trigger.
    This is evidenced by the new qualification standards as well as the sub standard caliber of their pistols .
    HRT is held to a higher standard .
    As disgusting as the Bureaus top brass has been ,it’s no wonder why the abilities of new hires have been compromised.
     
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  6. gaijin

    gaijin Well-Known Member

    May 18, 2015
    I surmised this was the result of gender equality, affirmative action and other “participation trophy” nonsense.
     
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  7. Greg45acp

    Greg45acp Double Secret Banned

    Oct 31, 2016
    I just ordered 48 QIT-99s and 48 IDPAs so in a couple weeks I’ll run this.
     
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  8. walleyemonster

    walleyemonster Well-Known Member

    578
    Jan 11, 2017
    Need to try this......as soon as the knee deep snow is gone!
     
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  9. Greenrunner

    Greenrunner Well-Known Member

    Dec 11, 2017
    The regional FBI SWAT teams do more and challenging shooting, and the HRT is on a whole different level. Also, a LE agency like the FBI has to have a basic course of fire but that does not mean that many agents do not shoot more than required.

    This course of fire emphasizes use of sights and trigger control. In my opinion, that is where the emphasis should be, as opposed to the spray and pray type courses which seem to have creeped into LE training. A LEO is responsible for every round that goes down the tube, and there are no berms in a gunfight, so even one miss is a potential bad day.

    I think that is a pretty good monthly or so course of fire (last I heard they had to qualify 10x per year) for agents who have a very small chance of ever using their weapons and who due to agency mission include computer geeks, language experts, lawyers, CPAs, etc.
     
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  10. Pappabear

    Pappabear Active Member

    144
    Feb 24, 2018
    G, Pappa here, very cool qual course. I love to do these things and don’t do enough. Took a class this weekend. All 1911 fun. Stay out of the classifieds here, it’s dangerous.

    PB
     
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  11. gaijin

    gaijin Well-Known Member

    May 18, 2015
    :)
    You know what they say about; "stay out of the barbershop, if you don't want a haircut" PB.

    Hope you enjoyed the class with TGO.
     
  12. nikerret

    nikerret Well-Known Member

    Mar 2, 2019
    It is VERY similar to the KS CPOST annual qualification requirement.
     

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