Dan Wesson Finish question

Discussion in '1911 Gunsmithing' started by A45GUNNER, Dec 12, 2018.

  1. A45GUNNER

    A45GUNNER Well-Known Member

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    Jun 8, 2012
    I have a Silverback in 45acp. I have thought about having the Duty Coat removed & having the gun refinished in something that is less sensitive to cleaning agents. I have heard the horror stories about some/all? solvents attacking the finish. I know there is an approved list
    of cleaners, but I am thinking about having the whole gun finished in a black coating. I had originally thought of just stripping the frame & having an all stainless finish, but I have plenty of these & want an all black weapon. I would like to know if there is any special steps that need to be done to remove the Duty Coat. I know the frame is stainless as is the slide, but I have heard that the Duty Coat can tint the metal & wanted to know if there are extra steps required before the frame can be refinished? I just want to make sure that the frame & slide will be the same color after the refinish. Who would you suggest for the strip & refinish work? Thanks in advance for the help!
     
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  2. stlgecko

    stlgecko Gecko Lives Matter

    May 24, 2014
    I don’t think it can be stripped and look stainless (silver) again. Best bet is chrome plating if you want that look. Otherwise it can be ceracoted in any color you want.
     
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  3. Sneaky One

    Sneaky One Well-Known Member

    Aug 14, 2016
    The duty treat is excellent and there are LOTS of products that don't bother it. FP10, Gunfighter oil, Wilson ultima , Slip 2000, Kroil Ballistol, etc.
     
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  4. A45GUNNER

    A45GUNNER Well-Known Member

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    Jun 8, 2012
    I am really leaning towards a black finish-I just wanted to make sure after the frame is stripped & refinished that the frame & slide will match. I had heard that the frame would have an odd color because of the Duty Coat after being stripped & was concerned the slide & frame would be two different colors after the refinish
     
  5. A45GUNNER

    A45GUNNER Well-Known Member

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    Jun 8, 2012
    I had thought about just having the slide coated by Dan Wesson, but I was just concerned about how well it would hold up if I used something that messed with the finish.
     
  6. Joe C

    Joe C Custom Pistolsmith Sponsor

    Sep 11, 2011
    Pretty sure you can't strip that dutywhateveritscalled finish off those guns.
     
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  7. B81

    B81 Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2018
    My understanding is that the Duty treatment is not really a coating, but a chemical surface treatment. Its basically a Melonite/QPQ like treatment. You can't just sand blast it away.
     
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  8. TangoWhiskeyFoxtrot

    TangoWhiskeyFoxtrot I do not consent.

    Dec 28, 2017
    I don't know what you should do.

    I have a Valor I got earlier this year with the Duty finish. It's black. You can't beat the stuff off with a hammer. You have to work half an hour just to file through it. If you try to machine it, it ruins your cutting tools. It's hard as diamond and never rusts. It's pretty much like any of the other PVD coatings used on guns. I've cleaned it with all kinds of stuff.

    But no solvents. Never solvents. Just oil-based products. You don't need solvents because stuff doesn't stick to it.

    TBH, the horror stories about the finish seem overblown. I do not treat it as if it is some delicate, dainty coating. I shoot the crap out of the gun, carry it, holster it. It's got 5,000 rounds and probably that many holster draws. It looks fine. If I want a Valor that does not have the Duty finish I will sell this one and buy one that never had it. I have no idea how, or if, they can get this stuff off.

    It's your gun and you should do what you want. This is just my opinion/experience.
     
  9. Sneaky One

    Sneaky One Well-Known Member

    Aug 14, 2016
    There you go. It's melonite
     
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  10. Dwe

    Dwe I'm a terminal 1911 Addict!

    Sep 4, 2011
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    Like @Joe C said.... Good luck getting it removed.


    That being said, I’m going to ask a simple question.
    Why not just use what Dan Wesson recommends?
    Duty Treat is almost bulletproof when you use kroil to clean and FP10 to lube.
    The idea of spending hundreds of dollars to remove a finish that cost an upgrade fee of $300-$400 to be able to use a $5.00 can of Gun Scrubber just seems backwards to me.
    In fact I spent the extra to have my Silverback completely Duty Treated because it is such a tough Finish. FWIW, Of all my Dan Wesson’s, only two are not Duty treated.
    One is Blue and one is SS.
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  11. TangoWhiskeyFoxtrot

    TangoWhiskeyFoxtrot I do not consent.

    Dec 28, 2017


    This is a pretty good basic explanation of the various coating types, including the PVD coatings (DLC, Duty Treat, melonite, etc.)
     
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  12. Joe C

    Joe C Custom Pistolsmith Sponsor

    Sep 11, 2011
    Yeah, if its melonite it for sure isn't coming off the metal.
     
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  13. joerockhead

    joerockhead "BOURBON" It's not just for Breakfast anymore ! Supporting Addict

    Oct 12, 2011
    That Silverback looks awesome ….
     
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  14. A45GUNNER

    A45GUNNER Well-Known Member

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    Jun 8, 2012
    I appreciate all of the input & I will look into sending it back to Dan Wesson. I have bought some of the products said to be used on this finish-I just know how my luck goes-if something can go wrong it will! Thanks again for all of the information. Great looking Silverback by the way!
     
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  15. Kip

    Kip Sir Kip Esquire

    Apr 12, 2016
    I'll echo DWE.
    For a finish Duty is incredible. Stuff gets banged around. Hell,half the time my "cleaning" is just blasting dust(?) off with compressed air.
    For a carry piece there is no equal.
    Not a fan of any of the spray and pray gun scrubbers anyway. ;)
     
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  16. Old Sea Dragon

    Old Sea Dragon Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2018
    I have a Duty Treat Specialist that has about 1200 rounds through it. That is not a lot but it is enough that many finishes would be acquiring some character but it still looks new. I have had some hard knocks to it that have left no marks. I use FP10 and Lucasoil with no problems. I have corresponded with DW about the Lucas oil and they raised no concerns. It is a great finish. I have a partial bottle of Breakfree CLP and when it is gone I won't replace it. The benefits of DT far outweigh its weaknesses.
     
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  17. johnb62

    johnb62 Well-Known Member

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    Oct 7, 2012
    Following. Just received my first DW with the duty finish.
     
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  18. azpoolguy

    azpoolguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 4, 2013
    I would sell it and buy something you can send to Business End Customs for Cerakote.
     
  19. TangoWhiskeyFoxtrot

    TangoWhiskeyFoxtrot I do not consent.

    Dec 28, 2017
    Please post what you learn from DW. I suspect the Duty finish is a more-or-less irreversible process but I could be wrong. Seems to me if it was easily reversible the internet warriors who spray their guns with Gun Scrubber, or swab them down with Hoppe's Bore Solvent or whatever it is they do, would be able to just scrape/blast it off and fix it.
     
  20. A45GUNNER

    A45GUNNER Well-Known Member

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    Jun 8, 2012
    I will post what I find out from DW after the holiday's. Thanks again for all of your input!
     
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