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Great trigger... light primer strikes

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#1 ·
Hey All,
Brought this model 19 snub out for another range session today, making this the 3rd overall range session for me.

The trigger is Sweeet on this snub, and I suspected that it had an aftermarket mainspring, as I've been around enough K frames to know the drill.

Never had a light primer strike before today, but while firing Buffalo Bore 158gr LSWCHP in 38+P, I had several failure to fire. The firing pin did hit the primer, but not deeply enough to ignite the round.

I continued to pull the trigger in order to get the round cycled back under the firing pin, and the round DID ignite upon 2nd strike.

The next cylinder of the same Buff Bore load produced two failure to fire. Same process was used, continued trigger pulls until round was struck again, and ALL rounds fired upon 2nd strike.

Anyhow, I promptly shot up the remaining 12 or so rounds that I had remaining, and I'll not shoot that ammo in this revolver.

I had zero problems with Speer Gold Dot, in both 357 mag and 38+P
Zero problems with Freedom Munitions 38 Spec ammo.

I've been carrying this 19 most of the past month or so, and it had been loaded with Speer Gold Dot 38+P ammo, with a speed strip of Speer GD 357 mag in my offside pocket.

I'll pull this sideplate off this model 19 and maybe replace the firing pin spring (this dash-8 variant has the internal firing pin system)

Super fun time working this snub today, and it really inspires confidence with how it handles 38+P in a stout defensive loading.

I sucked at using speed loaders and speed strips today, but it wasn't really my focus. I have tons of room for growth in "running the snub" and reloads is tops on my list for room to improve!

Blah, blah, blah, guns are cool:

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#3 ·
I've been shooting revolvers since I was kid, some had the same issue with light strikes. While some were due to hard primers most were due to light spring issues. To me it is pretty important to have a revolver that fires any round with any primer. I will always sacrifice a lighter trigger pull for reliability.
 
#4 ·
I will always sacrifice a lighter trigger pull for reliability.
I'm with you all the way, on that!
I'll get this one sorted out, for sure. Long love affair with K frame snubs, all is good with this one, I'll just get it better.
 
#5 ·
Full power Wolf ribbed. Probably has a light one in there, as you said. Underwood and BB both have hard primers IME. Also grab an extended firing pin. You need at least an 8lb pull to ignite hard primers. Sometimes even 9lbs with some primers. This is why I wish Federal would make real HSTs in 38+P and 357.
 
#7 ·
Federal primers are generally the softest. That may be what’s in that Speer ammunition. That you say the action is so sweet indicates that maybe somebody has been working on it. As already noted check the strain screw and bottom it all the way in. if that doesn’t do it, you can bend the main spring a little bit to make it hit harder. Last thing is to order a new spring.
 
#10 ·
I'm all good with the strain screw, as I check those right away after taking in a new (to me) revolver.
Regarding "bend the main spring" trick... I'd just as soon install new springs and leave to the bending to the "pros", ha!
This is a defensive revolver for me, not a range toy, so fresh springs are preferred over "bending" any springs.

I've only owned this snub for a short time, and prefer to leave well-enough-alone, given the choice. But, seeing as how I had the light primer strikes... I'll dig in and likely replace the firing pin spring (again, this is the newer internal, frame mounted, firing pin) and maybe even upgrade the firing pin assembly while I'm at it.

Also, I'll get a look at the mainspring and see, but it's almost certainly an aftermarket. I have no problem with aftermarket, but in the past, have experienced light strikes when attempting to "upgrade" to lighter springs.

I don't care one bit for a "better" trigger, if that means even ONE light primer strike.
This revolver is now under the microscope, and I'll report back as things develop.
 
#9 ·
I'll definitely be on the lookout for any additional light strikes, for sure. For now, I do trust it with the Speer Gold Dot, but in future range sessions, ANY light primer strikes will result in some factory springs going into this revolver.

Regarding the speedloaders, yeah... that's a whole 'nother thread, ha!
 
#11 ·
There are professional gunsmiths who do not believe the frame mounted firing pin guns to be reliable enough for carry without a longer firing pin.
 
#13 ·
I've owned a slew of K frame revolvers (with the internal/frame mounted) and never installed a longer firing pin.
Not saying that professional gunsmiths are WRONG, just saying that I've never needed a longer pin.
Maybe this snub will be my first?
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll keep you posted!
 
#21 ·
Based on my tinkering history, I haven't been able to run a reduced rib in a newer FP S&W without light strikes (depending on the primers). And in these newer guns, I usually just replace the rebound spring to lighten the pull. I've got a 2022 19-9 and haven't had any issues with various types of ammo (I did replace the rebound spring). But tolerances in every gun can be different.
 
#22 ·
Because I consider all ky revolvers potential carry guns, when I get a used gun I almost always replace the mainspring and rebound spring with stock springs and so far have not needed a longer firing pin. But I put an Apex hammer kit in a M19 carry comp just to try out and in that gun I used a longer firing pin.
 
#24 ·
It's ok but nothing to write home about.

The M19 carry comp I have is my test-bed, tinkering revolver. When new it had a really heavy DA trigger, and like I said, I avoid lighter springs. Long ago, my LAPD academy class firearms instructor told our class to suck-it-up-buttercups and instead of messing with the gun, build up hand strength. And Jerry Miculek I believe has said that crisp and fast rebound of the trigger is a key factor in rapid shooting. Or something to that effect.

So I put in the Apex kit, first trying the lighter springs that came with the kit. I thought those were ridiculously light and mushy and, after trying some combos of stock and lighter springs, I put in the stock springs with the Apex hammer. It still feels a little mushy to me, but if I was going to carry the gun I would put it back to stock.
 
#25 ·
I’d suggest a full power ribbed main spring, and a medium weight rebound. Especially if the light strikes occurred firing DA.

Another thing, wouldn’t hurt to check headspace. I had a 3” pre-lock M64 that had headspace a bit out of spec. Agency gun with intermittent DA light strikes. Fixed the HS, problem solved.

My opinion, any S&W should be able to be 100% reliable - with any quality ammo, without sacrificing trigger quality.

Really nice piece, BTW. Perfect with those Pach’s. Looks like a keeper!

Nice leather too. Maker?
 
#26 ·
You are correct, I should check the headspace on this one. I bought it used, but I can tell that it had seen VERY little use, so I hadn't considered checking headspace.

The leather is TT Gunleather IWB, my favorite holster maker.