Dan Wesson Guardian "Bobtail" issue Clarified by DW. UPDATE Pics

Discussion in '1911 Gunsmithing' started by TheCollector, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. TheCollector

    TheCollector Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    I received an answer to my two Guardian frame differences from Keith Lawton of Dan Wesson.
    According to him, the Guardian frame has been changed. Apparently I have one of the old style and one of the newer configuration. It looks like all of Zoid's and Dwe guardians are of the older design as well and that is why the EB MSHs fit.
    I would suggest you know which one you have or buy if you are thinking of using EB replacement parts that you may have been lead to believe would fit.

    I'll just add this note.
    For those of you who thought I didn't know my A$$ from a hole in the ground when trying to tell me there wasn't a difference in my two guns. Your apology is accepted.
     
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  2. Stromburg

    Stromburg Well-Known Member

    963
    Nov 6, 2015
    @TheCollector
    Did Keith mention what year they changed?
    Just curious as my Guardian is a 2014

    Thanks
    Rick
     
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  3. TheCollector

    TheCollector Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    Both of my Guardians were made in 2018... so the change must have been this year. As for changes from 2014 to this change, I have no knowledge.
     
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  4. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    I knew your gun was off, WAY off.

    Here are all four of mine with EB MSH's.

    IMG_20181108_075222.jpg

    IMG_20181108_074931.jpg
     
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  5. Stromburg

    Stromburg Well-Known Member

    963
    Nov 6, 2015

    Interesting that they made a mid year production change :o.o:

    Just out of pure curiosity, what’s the numeric difference between your 2 Guardians?
     
  6. TheCollector

    TheCollector Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    Zoid... "waaaaay off" .. but!!!... appropriate..
    You're lucky that you have all "old" models.
     
  7. TheCollector

    TheCollector Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    *****DISCLAIMER / CLARIFICATION****
    I was told by a "well known" Addict that the S/N 18xxxxxx indicated it was made in 2018. Which both of mine are.
    If this is incorrect information... I will be happy to forward all negative comments to said Addict.
     
  8. Stromburg

    Stromburg Well-Known Member

    963
    Nov 6, 2015

    I’d be interested to know when DW actually stamps the serial number on the frame, is it when the frame is made or is it later down the line during actually assembly of the pistol.
     
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  9. TheCollector

    TheCollector Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    I think I'll have a ***FREE*** give away drawing for a brand new EB "snakeskin" blue MSH. :grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:

    sorry for all the laughing!
     
  10. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    In!
     
  11. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    #23, if doing numbers.
     
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  12. TheCollector

    TheCollector Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    I'll announce if I do... Zoid
    Option #2 is I take the new frame to my 15" floor mounted disc sander with #36 grit and grind it down to fit the MSH. I'd leave the frame naked and call it my "Battleworn Bobtail" :confused2:
     
  13. Wheels No More

    Wheels No More Long gone

    May 12, 2015
    @TheCollector thank you for sharing this.
    I was thinking of doing the same thing with mine.
    Now I know I can't as my serial number starts with 18 also.
    Sorry you had to find out the hard way.
     
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  14. azguy1911

    azguy1911 Screw it, I'm buying more 1911's

    Oct 22, 2015
    I'm glad you connected with Keith and at least got to the bottom of it ;)
     
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  15. TheCollector

    TheCollector Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    Wheels, don't give up yet. As I said above in an earlier post, both mine are 18xxxxxxx S/Ns. Look at my pic on the other thread of my two guns (mag view) The one on the right (thin looking MSH) that's my 9mm and the EB fits great. The other one is my .38S (cal. shouldn't matter)Look at yours and see which one it mostly resembles. If it is the thin one, EB parts will probably fit decent. If yours look like the thicker one. DW has checkered MSH that might fit well enough to suit you.. just make sure you give them your S/N
     
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  16. mikes250r

    mikes250r Well-Known Member

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    Feb 25, 2018
    Just send it to Chen, get that thing blended and be done with it.
     
  17. Dwe

    Dwe I'm a terminal 1911 Addict!

    Sep 4, 2011
    Thanks for the info.
    I have 3 Guardians and 3 VBobs.
    The last one is an 18xxx SN and is the old style because it’s wearing an checkered EB MSH.

    I don’t understand the change however it may have something
    to do with a licensing aggrement with EB expiring.
    The MSH has been one of the last parts that DW has not been making.
    I would bet that DW is now making this part as well and had to be of different dimensions from the EB part.
    If this is the case you can expect that the VBobs will also be affected.
    That may be why Keith won’t use VBob frames on custom builds.

    In any event I’m done bying new DW Bobtails and am glad mine are all of the old design.

    Blending the anodized frame to match the EB part would be my second choice.
    I don’t think you can re-anodize an aluminum frame to protect it.

    My first choice would be to see if DW can help with a matching part.
     
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  18. TheCollector

    TheCollector Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    Blending the anodized frame to match the EB part would be my second choice.
    I don’t think you can re-anodize an aluminum frame to protect it.

    My first choice would be to see if DW can help with a matching part.[/QUOTE]

    My next choice was to leave it stock and order an EB EVO KC9 and go from there. Which I did.
     
  19. Dwe

    Dwe I'm a terminal 1911 Addict!

    Sep 4, 2011
    My next choice was to leave it stock and order an EB EVO KC9 and go from there. Which I did.[/QUOTE]
    Very nice!
    Best Choice!
    You can always use a little skate board tape! Or checker the stock part.
     
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  20. TheCollector

    TheCollector Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    Very nice!
    Best Choice!
    You can always use a little skate board tape! Or checker the stock part.[/QUOTE]

    DW offers the new MSH size checkered blue & SS
     
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