HELP buying U.S. Army Colt

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by C5brangus, Oct 10, 2018.

  1. C5brangus

    C5brangus Well-Known Member

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    Apr 2, 2018
    I’m interested in purchasing this Colt 1911 that’s for sale. What should I look for to validate it’s all original and determine the value? Is there anything good or bad that sticks out you? Thank you. BBF24898-2742-4B96-9EB5-85CA257BE2C4.jpeg 144C1CC7-34FF-41F3-BA08-148579820648.jpeg F21F0831-F9F5-4888-B257-A783A35D01EF.jpeg 9EF3D097-3E18-40C6-8AF6-C242C90DEB29.jpeg 3A917301-50CD-4FFA-90F8-9699221E9131.jpeg 9FA0458B-4913-401C-A631-B828C0C766DA.jpeg
     
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  2. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    It's been refinished.

    Made in 1918 (the frame).

    Not the original barrel.

    I'll have to dig out the books tomorrow to verify a couple other things I'm not 100% sure of.
     
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  3. C5brangus

    C5brangus Well-Known Member

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    I just realized that “calibre” caliber is mispelled. Guess this one is a no go.
     
  4. 7.62Kolectr

    7.62Kolectr On guard

    Jun 6, 2018
    Refinished at least once.
    Gun would be an old parkerized patina if it was original.
    The pony also looks like it's been restamped? Thing looks like it's got eight legs?
    Not the original barrel.

    My guess is it's a refinished mixmaster and not even worth buying. I'd pass and seek something better. There are plenty others out there so don't get fixated on that one.
     
  5. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    No, they used that spelling on Commercial Model Colts of that vintage.

    Not sure they ever used that roll mark on military production.

    That's what I need to check out.
     
  6. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    My 1917 Colt Commercial.

    Refinished.

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  7. C5brangus

    C5brangus Well-Known Member

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  8. C5brangus

    C5brangus Well-Known Member

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    Apr 2, 2018
    I’m currently in the market for a 100% original U.S. Army Colt 1911. I came across this one for a decent price or so I thought. Thank you for help! I’ll move on and keep looking.
     
  9. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    More photos added.

    It ALMOST looks like someone took a commercial slide and faked the military roll mark on to it, trying to "create" the illusion of being original.

    I can't say that until I look a few things up. It's possible at the start of the war Colt grabbed some commercial slides to fit onto government production guns.

    I'm just not sure.
     
  10. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    I would pick that one up for $600 to $800 tops. It would be a nice conversation blaster.
     
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  11. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    Notice that all the rollmarks on that slide are identical to my commercial slide except for the MODEL OF 1911. U.S. ARMY. All the other fonts are serif fonts except that, which is non-serif.
     
  12. Cousin Vinny

    Cousin Vinny Well-Known Member

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    Feb 24, 2015
    During the end of this run of 347,00, which this one is, there was a shortage of government
    Models, commercial models were used to fill the demand and the additional stamping of
    “model of 1911 US Army” was added. it is looking pretty authentic except for the finish and barrel which is not original as previously stated.Doesn’t look like a
    “Frankengun” to me.
    IMHO
    Cousin Vinny
     
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  13. 7.62Kolectr

    7.62Kolectr On guard

    Jun 6, 2018
    The gun in the Op is totally suspect.
    Look at left side dustcover and 'United States Property'. It's not even straight. UNITED is curved as well as higher than the other two words.
     
  14. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    I thought I had seen something like that, but my memory isn't what it should be these days.

    Interesting piece. Could be a nice conversation piece, like Deadpool.

    Here is a 1918 but has the pony in the center of the slide. Same non-serif US font as the OP.

    The OP's gun must have a nice earlier commercial slide, say 1917, that they used.

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  15. KS95B40

    KS95B40 Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Aug 16, 2017
    It may not have its original finish but it sure is a looker. If it looks as good as its pictures I would probably buy that for $800.

    I like it, polished blue finish and all!
     
  16. Cousin Vinny

    Cousin Vinny Well-Known Member

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    Colt was under a lot of pressure to get the order completed. Fit, finish, (which the last polishing
    Step was omitted) and probably the stamping took a hit to get these to the war. I believe it’s authentic in detail, but hey, what the hell do I know? This was a 100 years ago! Here’s one without the final polish, looks like it was spray painted. One of my favorites. C71A581D-74B5-4D33-9000-DBC6A1D78E09.jpeg A8614E2C-2370-4F2D-9DE9-44F42528AC54.jpeg
    Cousin vinny
     
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  17. Uncle Bob

    Uncle Bob Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2017

    Go on Facebook. There's a group there called Commercial and military Colt 1911 appraisal value group. Several Colt guru's are there including Joe Holden who can give you the best appraisal you can get for this kind of thing.

    It's the single best place I've ever seen for getting good info on any and all Colt or military built 1911s/1911A1s, all the way up to the M45.

    You can also go directly to Colt and pay for the history of the pistol in letter form.
     
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  18. Uncle Bob

    Uncle Bob Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2017

    "May not" is very tricky. Some of them were arsenal redos.
     
  19. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014

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  20. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    Ditto on the buy at $800.

    If you don't mind me asking, what was the original asking price on that one? Just curious, for educational purposes of course

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