Colt Help me price my SACS CRG to sell

Discussion in 'General 1911 talk' started by Wake27, Jan 12, 2019.

  1. Wake27

    Wake27 Well-Known Member

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    Oct 16, 2017
    I couldn't find any rules against this, hopefully its ok. I'm looking to sell my Colt Rail Gun and wrote up the following [very long] ad. I have no idea how to price it as it is far from a factory gun and I'd appreciate some honest feedback. I don't need it gone in the next two days, but ideally within two weeks so I'm trying to get a reasonable idea. Let me know what you guys think.

    Background
    I bought this in 2013, before the M45 came out, so it has the standard frame and therefore fits most railed 1911 holsters. I’ve logged 2,793 rounds on it in that time, all of which were factory new and brass cased. Shortly after buying it, I had Hatfield’s Gunsmithing in NoVA install night sights, a Wilson Combat Bullet Proof thumb safety, and WC flat wire recoil spring kit. In late 2015, it went to SACS for a number of upgrades which are listed below. For those of you that are like me and dislike questionable/no-name gunsmithing, SACS would only work on it if the Hatfield's work met their standards, which it obviously did. I’d estimate that no more than 1k of those rounds have been put on it since it went to SACS. It does currently have a shok-buff that I’d recommend removing if using weaker ammo. The grips are VZ Aliens in the thin magwell variety, and have the recessed thumb notch. They were coated in Black Multicam by JFE along with the X300U.

    SACS Work
    1911-A1 Defense Package, oversized national match SS BBL bushing, Wolff Extra Power Firing Pin Spring, machine checker front strap (25 LPI), machine checker underneath trigger guard, dovetail front sight (green FO), frame to slide fit, fit and blend WC BP magwell, extractor, ejector, beavertail grip safety, slide stop, magazine release, and rear sight.

    Included
    The gun and grips, four 10 round Wilson Combat ETM mags, three SS ETM mags, and three black ETM mags.

    Disclaimers
    Normally I’d do a deep clean to get it all prepped, but I just don’t have the time so it will come with some Fireclean and carbon on it. Also, while it is rare that I can’t meet/ship within 24 hours, I’ve got a two week old baby, am in temporary living after moving from Hawaii, and have a dog that’s been in and out of the ER over the last few days, so it might take me an extra day or so. I will do my best to keep you updated of any issues on my end that may delay shipping/meeting. I do have the factory Colt case, but it’s tied up with the movers. If this sells before I have it in my possession, I will send it to the buyer once I get it back. Also, aside from the Gold Dots, the rest of my .45 is stored in a secondary location. If you want it, I should be able to get an accurate count to verify pricing and pictures within 24 hours, pending all of my above excuses.

    Conditions
    I’d strongly prefer to do this face to face in NoVA, but will accept offers to ship everything but the ammo. I can work with most payment methods but would prefer either method of PayPal, as long as I receive the total agreed upon price. Conditions of trading will be based around your feedback and will have to be agreed upon on an individual basis.

    Trades (+ cash)
    1. G45
    2. DW Specialist 9mm
    3. Quality AR uppers, 11.5s preferred (BCM with QRF/MCMR, KAC Mod2 MLOK)

    Invested
    Base gun: $1,350
    Hatfield’s labor: $95
    Grips: $69
    JFE coating: $123.40
    WC parts: $507.45
    SACS: $1,215
    Mags: ~$300
    Total invested: $3,659.85

    Asking price
    F2F near Virginia Arms: $2,500?
    Shipped to FFL: $2,550?

    Extras available
    1. SureFire X300U: $150
    2. ~1,500 rounds of 230gr ball, and 100 rounds of 230gr Speer Gold Dot 230gr: $500

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  2. WC145

    WC145 Every day is Saturday and every night's a party!

    Jan 1, 2013
    Looks like you have it figured out, just copy and paste your post in the "guns for sale" section.
     
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  3. samuse

    samuse Well-Known Member

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    Jul 29, 2013
    Nice pistol, but your asking price is probably about $1500 higher than it'll sell for.
     
  4. Au Jus in Bello

    Au Jus in Bello Well-Known Member

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    May 19, 2017
    You think that's a $1k gun? Could you elaborate?

    OP, I think $2500 is a tough ask only because used is a buyer's market right now, and at your price or near it, a new semi-custom in a similar configuration can be had. But a knowledgeable buyer who can appreciate things like SACS doing the work and the round count is low for a well-made 1911, might spring in the $2K zone.
     
  5. jimmy james

    jimmy james 1911 Fiend

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    Aug 29, 2017
    GLWS! Nice to see those Wilson 10 rnders. Do they even sell those anymore? I got 6 with a Springer/Caspian/Schumann I bought years and years ago.
     
  6. SLAM37

    SLAM37 Well-Known Member

    Apr 17, 2016
    Nice looking pistol OP.

    I won't comment on the price other than to say ... throw it out there for what you think it is worth and the market will tell you if it is set too high by the number of responses you get.

    I would recommend changing the title of your listing though. I know that you wrote "CRG" to mean "Colt Rail Gun", but when you put "SACS CRG" in the title I was thinking I would see a Springfield Armory Custom Shop Professional Model pistol (whose serial numbers start with "CRG"). No biggie, but for clarification I would title it, "Colt Rail Gun customized by SACS" or something like that.

    GLWS!
     
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  7. samuse

    samuse Well-Known Member

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    Jul 29, 2013

    Custom work usually adds $0 to the selling price of a used pistol and also makes them more difficult to sell.
     
  8. Au Jus in Bello

    Au Jus in Bello Well-Known Member

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    May 19, 2017
    I agree that a worked-over pistol usually (though not always) makes a sale a little tougher: you immediately lose the "bone stock" crowd, and reduce your interested audience only to those who are looking for the kind of mods you chose.

    Mixed on the zero dollar value for custom work: if it's an unknown, unverifiable smith, or worse, a home job, then yes; but if it's verifiably one of the best 1911 shops or smiths in the world, a seller can recoup much of the cost of the custom work (demonstrated regularly in the classifieds here). In this case, OP has that very much on his side provided he can prove the work.
     
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  9. Wake27

    Wake27 Well-Known Member

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    Oct 16, 2017
    Thanks for all of the replies. I can't agree at all with custom work adding nothing to the value, but understand that it is very subjective. And I see what you guys are saying about the pricing, there are a lot of newer factory guns going for what I'd like to get out of this. I listed it in a few places anyways, just to see if there are any offers. If this was in 9mm, I'd never get rid of it. But I'm tired of stocking such a wide variety of ammo and am trying to consolidate. Also, I couldn't find the invoice from SACS, despite having the full email chain. I called to see if they could send it to me and was glad to talk to Deb as she's the one I went through initially (I assume she handles most, if not all of them). I asked about them returning to a full custom shop and she said that she and all of the gunsmiths would love that, but doesn't have any idea if it'll ever happen, which is a bummer.
     
  10. Chicken Dinner Arms

    Chicken Dinner Arms Well-Known Member Sponsor Supporting Addict

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    Nov 7, 2011
    I saw this gun for sale on a couple of forums and I think it’s beautiful. Unfortunately, I have/am consolidating all my 1911s to 9mm but this one is making me pause about that decision.
     
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  11. Wake27

    Wake27 Well-Known Member

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    Oct 16, 2017
    If I didn't have huge vet bills for my dog, I wouldn't care so much about having another caliber just for this gun and would keep it. Especially considering how much money I've put into it and the fact that it may be one of the last non-Springfield guns that SACS worked on.
     
  12. cheller73

    cheller73 Member

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    Mar 22, 2018
    Unfortunately, Samuse is probably correct. The market is soft, and especially with it being a full size 45 with custom work. I recently sold a mint condition Wilson xtac. Even with upgrades like armor tough and a magwell, I was lucky to get $2200 for it. I think $2500 is going to be exceedingly tough to get.
     
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