Buddy of mine stopped by tonight. I showed him my new holster: Certainly not suited for concealment. A few of us locals like training in the dark. This will be my 'War Rig'. Here's another from the same guy. My wife's nightstand/travel gun. [email protected] [email protected] This one I use for fun and games. Maker unknown, but possibly a MadDog product. It's fast with a 5" and a bit faster with the 4". My fav! My daily carry by Exodus.