How tight is tight

Discussion in '1911 Gunsmithing' started by Gress, Nov 21, 2011.

  1. Gress

    Gress Don't need no education Supporting Addict

    Nov 21, 2011
  2. barmandr

    barmandr SHEEPLE HERDER Supporting Addict

    Oct 11, 2011
    Whoops...I see now this thread is about barrels. :biggrin1:
     

  3. nomad

    nomad Active Member

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    Aug 22, 2011
    That barrel is tighter than a fourty year old virgin. :lol:
     
  4. Trent

    Trent Site Founder Staff Member Admin

    Aug 15, 2011
    Me too... I read the title and thought we might have a good one on our hands! LOL
     
  5. AlchemyCustomWeaponry

    AlchemyCustomWeaponry Crabby Old Gunsmith

    Nov 4, 2011
    I like it. I don't know about you guys around here, but I think Dave is an extremely intense guy when it comes to fitting his parts. He has his own set of beliefs about how a barrel should be fit, and he makes a compelling argument to back them up.
     
  6. Gress

    Gress Don't need no education Supporting Addict

    Nov 21, 2011
    feel free to drive it wherever you like :lol:
     
  7. DAT85

    DAT85 BIG OL' BALD HAID ! Supporting Addict

    Aug 26, 2011
    Very dramatic.

    If nothing else,I guess it gets him some customers.

    DAT85
     
  8. Gress

    Gress Don't need no education Supporting Addict

    Nov 21, 2011
    Hey DAT, You've seen some tight ones I guess :wink: (which I personally do not care about) on your recent trip.. And thank you for posting on this. Did they explain their barrel fit to you at all?
    I am aware of what you've been through and how you feel about it and I am with you on that, but at the moment I am interested to get your opinion on the fit :lol:
    Would you like to have a gun fitted like this (say by somebody else) or not?
     
  9. DAT85

    DAT85 BIG OL' BALD HAID ! Supporting Addict

    Aug 26, 2011

    On the CABOT 1911's,barrel fit was very similar to a broken in Les Baer product.

    Except it didn't take a couple of thousand rounds to get there.It started out just like my TRS is after 4k rds. :eek:
    All of the parts that I examined came off of the line being able to be dropped in to the frame or slide without forcing them together.
    They didn't sound like a lego toy being assembled.

    The tightest contact point was the bushing fit to the barrel.You would definitely need to use a wrench to turn the bushing in the slide.

    As far as the stewpid tight fit illustrated in the video is concerned,NOT!

    I"ll let someone else pay for that "fit" :rolleyes2:


    DAT85
     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2011
  10. Gress

    Gress Don't need no education Supporting Addict

    Nov 21, 2011
    Thanks DAT. Sounds like you are reasonably impressed by the Cabot's work. Ever consider getting one for your upcoming B-Day? :lol:
    Will save you the cost of 4K rounds compared to LB :tongue: Seriously, after your review I acknowledge they exist as one of choices we have.

    So you don't like tight fit, ha? :biggrin1:
     
  11. AlchemyCustomWeaponry

    AlchemyCustomWeaponry Crabby Old Gunsmith

    Nov 4, 2011
    There actually is a method to the hard fit madness apart from the "hard fit".
     
  12. DAT85

    DAT85 BIG OL' BALD HAID ! Supporting Addict

    Aug 26, 2011


    I simply don't have the kind of $$$$ to spend on my hobby that I could justify buying a CABOT even for my 55th birthday! :Cry:

    (Even though they are beautifully built) :thumb:

    As far as "tight" is concerned,LB products are as tight as I would even consider for a self defense handgun.

    What I witnessed in the video was beyond what I would consider as "reasonably" tight. It gets into territory that I can't relate to.

    My focus on use of the 1911 platform is recreational/ self defense.

    Before I considered carrying one of my TRS',it needed 2.5-3k worth of rounds to prove itself to me as being totally reliable to risk my life with.It smoothed out nicely,thank you very much! :biggrin1:

    It's starting point wasn't anywhere near as tight as the fit I witnessed in that video.

    My LB's lock up tight at the bushing,not the hood.

    I can deal with that.


    DAT85
     
  13. Gress

    Gress Don't need no education Supporting Addict

    Nov 21, 2011
    Thanks DAT. None of my guns lock up that tight at the hood either. That's why it was interesting to watch how Mr. Severns does it. It could be totally unnecessary thing from all the practical reasons but to me it was nice watching two pieces of metal go into action like that.
     
  14. ontarget1911

    ontarget1911 Member

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    Sep 26, 2011
    kjlkjl
     
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2011
  15. bdavis385

    bdavis385 New Member

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    Sep 7, 2011
    I believe it is the upper radial lugs that are snapping into place not the hood. The hood simply is fit to have no clearance against the breech face. At least this is how my Heinie guns have been fit. On the last one Heinie used an EGW bushing that was a perfect fit on the barrel and as long as the slide is off the gun, no wrench is needed to take the bushing off. My STI high capacity built by Heinie now has about 30,000 rounds through (ISPC shooting) and has failed to fire on three occasions -- an early reloading batch where I had the crimp done poorly, a used piece of brass that came out of Glock, and a early sue of a shock buff. The gun is totally reliable and tight. It can be done.
     
  16. Gress

    Gress Don't need no education Supporting Addict

    Nov 21, 2011
    Thank you guys, these are exactly opinions/experiences I am interested to hear.:thumb:
     
  17. AlchemyCustomWeaponry

    AlchemyCustomWeaponry Crabby Old Gunsmith

    Nov 4, 2011
    A fit like that is the only way to work the metal and get a super hard bearing surface on vital areas to ensure a long lasting fit. If you don't want a long lasting, tight fit, then by all means fit everything loose.

    Remember though that there is a difference between a hard fit for the sake of a hard fit, and a hard fit done properly to ensure long service life of the load bearing parts.
     
  18. 50GI-Jess

    50GI-Jess Member

    497
    Aug 24, 2011
    tight quality build 1911's is the only way for competition and selfdefense....but thay have to be kept CLEAN. If you get dirt into tight spaces, it becomes a problem, and wears ot the gun faster.
    Yes, if I was in a war zone, I'd apt for either a well broken in or loosely fit 1911, in order to create "room" for the dirt.

    When parts are fit tightly in a 1911, the whole mechanic concept of the gun design last longer, since the parts have no obtained pre-speed before contacting/activating one another. Under the right conditions, it'll be more reliable, and felt recoil will seem more pleasant compared to a cluncker.

    This debate has always been based on emotions, poor experience or lack of knowledge when it comes to the topic of 1911's. No other pistol design out there to this very day, is more reliable than a truely nice build custom 1911 in 45 ACP.

    Well ha ha, thats just my opinien...and you'll know how that goes.
     
  19. DAT85

    DAT85 BIG OL' BALD HAID ! Supporting Addict

    Aug 26, 2011
    A very insightful opinion indeed! :thumb:

    I believe a level of confidence is necessary when EDC'ing a 1911.

    For me,reliability is foremost.If the smith doing the build is someone I have had a chance to get to know as well as use 1911's that he has built,I probably would be confident in carrying his "hard fit" 1911.

    But,as they say,you can't teach an old dog new tricks,and my experience has been for EDC,a WELL broke in 1911 is the way to go.

    And thats why I only EDC 2 of my LB's.

    As I said previously,LB 1911's are as tight a fit as I want to get with a 1911.

    Just my .02

    DAT85
     
  20. Lordofbarbeque

    Lordofbarbeque New Member

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    Sep 21, 2011
    Edited siince the second page was not viewed prior to posting.
     

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