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Discussion in 'General 1911 talk' started by Old Rooster, Aug 4, 2020.
From the museum-
This may explain why I’m getting an itch for an engraved 1911 carry. The 1911s in the Rangers museum....
The Ranger museum really is a treat for 1911 enthusiasts. Some of the guns are very unique because the Rangers adopted the platform so early, when most other Law Enforcement Agencies stuck with Revolvers. Further more the Rangers were not compelled to keep there guns stock like the Military 1911s, so you end up with an interesting branch in the evolution of the platform.
Great history lesson here, thank you. Also a nice illustration of how hate/ignorance works.
I went to the ranger museum last year and saw several like these if not the same ones. I like the history of these guns, although some seem like overkill.
It was a good learning moment for me to read about the reasons for the modifications. Glad I asked.
I absolutely appreciate an engraved pistol...i did find it odd that these were supposed fighting guns and almost none had any improvement on the sights whatsoever. Most still had tiny GI sights....tons of money spent on engraving and fancy grips but no sights.
Besides the Guttersnipe on the ASP, were there any good fighting sights, as opposed to Bullseye-type sights, in that era to change them to?
I wouldn't want one for CCW.
With provenance, one of those would be a helluva BBQ gun to wear.
That could just be my high school years in Texas talkin'
If you need a short gun you will need it fast. You had best be aware of what is around you and have it in your hand.
You will not have time to extend your arms and pick up the sights. You will be shooting from close to your body and even you atheists will start to pray that you hit what you are directing the muzzle towards.
Considering the distance and how you will have to use the gun the small standard sights will pose no handicap.
If you have time to present the gun as you would on a practice range you have time to fall back and get your rifle.
If you are far enough away from your intended target to need a deliberate sight picture you can believe that when you get to the Grand Jury the question will be, “Why didn’t you disengage and retreat”?
Just a few things to consider before condemning the sights as too small.
I'd shoot my leg off reholstering the thing. That said I appreciate the history lesson. My idea of a BBQ gun might be a bit different though.
(Stole the pic from @ZoidMeister, Deadpool does shoot though as many of you know).
I’d shoot it!
It would be interesting learning how to shoot those guns.
Les would cringe if you showed him that. He also will NOT pin a grip safety.
Front sight mount let's you know whomever built it, was not right in the head
Agree on the history lesson, I love learning new information! I do not agree so much with the “hate” portion of your comment. Ignorance? maybe....but I’m always willing to listen. Just cause something doesn’t flip my trigger doesn’t mean it’s hate! Just not my cup of tea no matter how much history is involved. Doesn’t have anything to do with hate as is so easily thrown around these days!
I agree about the hate piece in the comment. I didn’t read hate anywhere and I didn’t offer any. It was a fun discussion and I learned interesting points. And thanks to all who have participated.
Your probably right in calling me out for my word usage. Hate, might be to strong a word for what I was reaching for here; call it poor manners.
I think I immediately defaulted to "hate" because this is a gun forum and you see quite a few posts that are derived from hate, or it's mother; fear. I automatically dislike it more than your objection to my poor choice in semantics.
They definitely liked their super engraved BBQ guns with heavy silver grips. The sights are also a point of interest for me. From what I have seen, prior to practical shooting taking off in the mid to late 60's, the only sight mods commonly being done were bullseye and bowling pin sights like those being done by Clark. Once practical competition shooting took off you started to see S&W revolver sights mounted on the 1911's, as popularized by Swenson and Hoag, and the market grew from there.
On the gun in the OP, the front sight has been modified which is fairly unusual, both amongst its peers and in execution. Unfortunately I dont know much about this particular sight mod
This entire exchange is why I like this forum and have chosen not to participate in others. My hat is off to you all.
I may start googling pics to see if I can find another.