Joe's shop makes full house custom 1911 and custom wide bodies. His work is a great example of what I said a person is missing out on if they won't order a custom wide body. I'm not sure why you are quoting me and asking that question.
I would spend money in custom, semi-custom 1911 but not 2011. What is your take?
Regardless of the caliber, 1911s are iconic and worth the money!
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Well, there is more work involved in building a single stack.
Grip truing, checkering and finishing.
With a 2011, the grip module bolts onto the frame, so there is a lot less work to build an equivalent gun.
Now, the caveat-the parts are usuallymore expensive-so fwiw, it can be a wash depending on your 'smith's labor rate.
Grip truing, checkering and finishing.
With a 2011, the grip module bolts onto the frame, so there is a lot less work to build an equivalent gun.
Now, the caveat-the parts are usuallymore expensive-so fwiw, it can be a wash depending on your 'smith's labor rate.
Excellent point!Well, there is more work involved in building a single stack.
Grip truing, checkering and finishing.
With a 2011, the grip module bolts onto the frame, so there is a lot less work to build an equivalent gun.
Now, the caveat-the parts are usuallymore expensive-so fwiw, it can be a wash depending on your 'smith's labor rate.
Personally I prefer 2011s to shoot. I have a few 2011s and a few 1911s and the 2011 get to go to the range a lot more. I love looking at 1911s and I love shooting them but I prefer the higher capacity of the my 2011s. I also like my 1911s very plain and with the 2011s I prefer all shapes and sizes. That said I would spend money on both and would love a custom 1911 Colt military slide built one day.
I think the confusion is a lot of people refer to wide bodies as 2011's universally, forgetting or not knowing 2011 is a STI/Staccato specific trademark.Joe's shop makes full house custom 1911 and custom wide bodies. His work is a great example of what I said a person is missing out on if they won't order a custom wide body. I'm not sure why you are quoting me and asking that question.
While STI/Staccato may have coined the phrase "2011", I think it's become synonymous for any double stack 1911. Kinda like folks calling any brand of bandage a "band-aid".I think the confusion is a lot of people refer to wide bodies as 2011's universally, forgetting or not knowing 2011 is a STI/Staccato specific trademark.
Agreed, I'm as guilty of it as anyone.While STI/Staccato may have coined the phrase "2011", I think it's become synonymous for any double stack 1911. Kinda like folks calling any brand of bandage a "band-aid".
I think the confusion is a lot of people refer to wide bodies as 2011's universally, forgetting or not knowing 2011 is a STI/Staccato specific trademark.
I get it. That's why I tried to be clear in my first post in the thread that 2011s are Staccato. Oh well. I don't think the mislabeling is gonna change anytime soon.
Yep. I was at Scheels yesterday. They had an Atlas. Some group of guys walked by it and one of them says "look at that custom 2011." All sorts of wrong, it made me chuckle. At this point though, I'm only one man I can't heal the world.While STI/Staccato may have coined the phrase "2011", I think it's become synonymous for any double stack 1911. Kinda like folks calling any brand of bandage a "band-aid".
Do all the nice custom DS "2011" pistols cost Nighthawk money, though? That eliminates a lot of buyers just because of cost. Then there are the buyers like myself that just refuse to spend so much on one pistol. For example, I want and can afford, a TT Pit Viper badly, but $7k? I cannot justify that amount in my head for one pistol that will just punch paper. Competitive shooters are another story, of course.Joe's shop makes full house custom 1911 and custom wide bodies. His work is a great example of what I said a person is missing out on if they won't order a custom wide body. I'm not sure why you are quoting me and asking that question.
Yes, nice things cost what they cost. Some well above “Nighthawk“ money. You don’t want to pay it, ok cool. I do. So do many others, obviously. To each their own.Do all the nice custom DS "2011" pistols cost Nighthawk money, though? That eliminates a lot of buyers just because of cost. Then there are the buyers like myself that just refuse to spend so much on one pistol. For example, I want and can afford, a TT Pit Viper badly, but $7k? I cannot justify that amount in my head for one pistol that will just punch paper. Competitive shooters are another story, of course.
My expensive 2011s get shot way more than my expensive 1911s.
I was asking a legitimate question because I'm curious and you come in here with an attitude. 🙄Yes, nice things cost what they cost. Some well above “Nighthawk“ money. You don’t want to pay it, ok cool. I do. So do many others, obviously. To each their own.
Not anti 2011 and have owned some, just prefer a single stack 45. I like the larger caliber, the single stack grip is more comfortable and more easily carried, and they got me this far so I dont see a reason to change. grey beard noises
might get a double stack 45 from chambers one of these days
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might get a double stack 45 from chambers one of these days
I bought my first 2011styled gun, a Bul Armory SASII TAC Light. It is an amazing gun, tight fit, accurate, and has run every type of ammo I have tried in the gun. It came with 2-18 round proprietary flush fit mags (downside). I picked up 3-19 round mags of the forum. This has me debating, I really want a Sig p229 SAO Legion, but my friend has an older Canadian-made Para P-14 45. It is a sweet shooter, he has had some work done to the gun over the years, barrel/bushing, beavertail, slide tightened, and trigger job. It has finish wear from holster draws from his days of shooting competition, but there is no play in that gun, it is still really tight. I offered him $1,400. I know some will think that is too much for the gun, but I know the gunsmith who did the work, the same guy turned my Gold Cup into a 1" at 50 yards gun. He is one who will have to mull it over so it will most likely be Christmas before I have an answer.
Cabot, Ed Brown, Guncrafter, Les Baer, Nighthawk, Staccato, and Wilson Combat (in alphabetical order) all make fantastic guns- top quality, well made, and very accurate. Take your pick and buy what you like. I don't think you can go wrong w/ any of these. If you're just starting out you'll probably own several from any number of these vendors.
If this is your first 19/2011 gun I might suggest buying something from you local gun shop (LGS) since you'll probably need help along the way. In my opinion, buying a used gun from one of these vendors might be a good idea. In my experience people who own these guns typically take very good care of them, and you can save a lot of money.
You'll also be able to see and hold the gun, and the LGS may even let you shoot one of their used guns if they have a range. I tried out a used 4" S&W 500 Magnum at my LGS I was thinking of buying. After shooting 10 rounds I decided the gun was not right for me, and the dealer charged me $35 to have the gun cleaned since I didn't buy it (which I thought was fair).
There's my two cents. Good luck, your journey starts w/ the first step...
If this is your first 19/2011 gun I might suggest buying something from you local gun shop (LGS) since you'll probably need help along the way. In my opinion, buying a used gun from one of these vendors might be a good idea. In my experience people who own these guns typically take very good care of them, and you can save a lot of money.
You'll also be able to see and hold the gun, and the LGS may even let you shoot one of their used guns if they have a range. I tried out a used 4" S&W 500 Magnum at my LGS I was thinking of buying. After shooting 10 rounds I decided the gun was not right for me, and the dealer charged me $35 to have the gun cleaned since I didn't buy it (which I thought was fair).
There's my two cents. Good luck, your journey starts w/ the first step...
Well said!I purchased a C2 a couple years ago and it truly is a great gun but, what I spent for it is about my limit for a 2011. Not because of what it costs but because it to me is just a piece of equipment (a nice piece of equipment to be sure) to further a goal. For years I lusted after a NHC Kestrel in 10mm or in a pinch 45 acp. That lust was finally cooled to room temperature when I got my head turned by a ACW Quantico in 45 acp. As much as I drool over it I have decided at my age and in my retirement status I just will let this go also! If I was to spend $omething approaching $4k that would be the one. I'll just say this... As I have just stepped into my 70s becoming pragmatic is kind of a turd in the punch-bowl feeling! 😁
I like old school stuff and don't have a problem with Pre owned. You can pick up a gently used Dinan, Giles, Hebard, Swenson or Shreevport Clark (Built By Jim) for $1500- $2500 and I don't honestly know how the new Breed of Built 1911's can out shoot them... That's if you don't mind pre owned and have the knowledge you need to inspect it when you find it.I purchased a C2 a couple years ago and it truly is a great gun but, what I spent for it is about my limit for a 2011. Not because of what it costs but because it to me is just a piece of equipment (a nice piece of equipment to be sure) to further a goal. For years I lusted after a NHC Kestrel in 10mm or in a pinch 45 acp. That lust was finally cooled to room temperature when I got my head turned by a ACW Quantico in 45 acp. As much as I drool over it I have decided at my age and in my retirement status I just will let this go also! If I was to spend $omething approaching $4k that would be the one. I'll just say this... As I have just stepped into my 70s becoming pragmatic is kind of a turd in the punch-bowl feeling! 😁
I don’t think I had an attitude. But if you do, my bad. Wasn’t intended.I was asking a legitimate question because I'm curious and you come in here with an attitude. 🙄
Well, and I'm just talking about my requirements here, as much as any of those would be nice to have and shoot it is just not a requirement for me at this point. I am interested in something I can depend on in the caliber of my preference. I recently purchased a DW TCP in 45 acp and I just got back from the range probably 30 minutes ago from shooting it for the first time. It is a great shooter and based on taking it out of the case, putting rounds in the magazine and shooting the qualification course of my former agency the TCP gets an A+. The TCP came out of the case and performed great for the first time being shot outside the factory! I need/want a gun that when the SHTF I know it will do its part. I shot the course twice and to say I was very please with the TCP is an understatement! I would still love to have an ACW Quantico but it is a nice to have not a need to have!I like old school stuff and don't have a problem with Pre owned. You can pick up a gently used Dinan, Giles, Hebard, Swenson or Shreevport Clark (Built By Jim) for $1500- $2500 and I don't honestly know how the new Breed of Built 1911's can out shoot them... That's if you don't mind pre owned and have the knowledge you need to inspect it when you find it.
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