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I had a SA Pro many years ago....maybe 8-10 years or more back...

Loved it, shot the mess out of it; ran it thru several classes over in Fayetteville..
I traded out of it when the railed version came out; but I never picked one back up.

I have since gone thru a gazillion other guns and am circling back to getting a nice 1911

I ran across a Pre War National Match Colt, with Schwartz safety and put that away for the future, and have an old Sistema; but I need a shooter.
I like the nostalgia and look of the Colts, but can't find anything in their lineup that seems on par to the SA Pro (if I am missing something, tell me)
I haven't owned a Baer or Wilson, or Nighthawk; I get lost looking at the different models and none really jump out as something I want....
Are there any newer companies or models that I should look into??
I spoke with Jason Burton (Heirloom Precision) about building a new series 70, but that is 3-4 years away at best, and I know it will function and look great; curious how the value of custom guns holds up over time? I know when I look thru the classifieds and I see "custom"; I keep on looking, as the odds of what you wanted a few years back isn't great that is what I want now...

What I like about the Pro;
Custom shop gun, but yet a known commodity
Tested, tested, tested; I can't think of a 1911 that went thru such a selection process for reliablity and accuracy. To my knowledge, the Colt M45A1 is not quite what the Pro is as far as fit and finish and accuracy?
Any thoughts?
I figured that 8-10 down the line, there may be a new "king" other than the SA Pro
 

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Agree with Greg, that everyone will have a different choice for top of the heap. That being said.

I know several people now who have bought recent Pros and had to send them back to Springfield- most common problem seems to be hammer follow although looking at a friends gun at the range last week after he got it back from the pro shop - still had hammer follow issues and the sights were so misaligned you couldn’t help but notice. Sadly I think that Springfield quality and QC has gone way down.

Regarding the Burton build, great choice, it’s a wait yes but your worries over losing money on it are unfounded I think. In 4 years his wait time will be longer and people will pay a higher premium to buy one today from someone rather than wait. I don’t see his popularity or his builds desirability shrinking.


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What your definition of "top of the heap" or "king"? Finish, reliability, accuracy, cost, resale? I have a Pro, a Range Officer, and a Trophy Match in the Springfield lineup and their all top of the heap to me. Everyone of them shoots and looks good in their own way. Resale is directly related to current market conditions which has been all over the map recently.
 

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great comment guys; sad to hear about QC issues...
I suppose its possible to send Heirloom a base gun and wait (I don't think you pay till later)
and get a shooter for now...

I do recall, I had a minor issue with my Pro and they were prompt to repair it...hope they work thru the bugs; I thought I heard FBI no longer buys the Pro, so maybe they view these as commercial guns now and let things slip.
 

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IMO you can tweak up a Dan Wesson off the shelf model to compete with the pro all day long at a better initial price. I have had several here in my shop over the past year that do a bit of stuff here and there and they are on every bit the same level as an SACs gun, especially in the last few years there have been a lot of changes at Springfield and from what I am seeing not in a good way.

Again like everyone said top of the heap. Some say Wilson, Some say Night hawk, GI is supposed to be good, I have a Les Baer and Ed Brown that both shoot great. Nothing in the current market is holding it's value very well, so might as well write that off the list at the moment, kind of like playing the stock market.
 

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You mentioned the Colt M45 and I am a fan of Colts however I would suggest their CQBP which I believe has several parts fitted in the custom shop( barrel and trigger) I have the Special Combat Government which is also built there and it is excellent. In regards the SA Pro model I have never shot one but they get positive reviews here, including several members who have bought them recently. I have two Dan Wessons, a 45 Specialist Cmdr and a 38 Super C-bob I ordered directly from them and they are very well built, impressive really. There are a lot of good choices right now which is probably a big reason that the resale market is soft.
 

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I ran across a Pre War National Match Colt, with Schwartz safety and put that away for the future, and have an old Sistema; but I need a shooter.

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If I bought a $3000 pistol new from an authorized reseller and it didnt run, I would be raising holy hell with the mfr. Totally unacceptable.
 

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...I know several people now who have bought recent Pros and had to send them back to Springfield- most common problem seems to be hammer follow although looking at a friends gun at the range last week after he got it back from the pro shop - still had hammer follow issues and the sights were so misaligned you couldn’t help but notice. Sadly I think that Springfield quality and QC has gone way down...
Although too small a sample to draw anything final from, this isn't an encouraging anecdote.

Like many, I wondered what really accounted for the changes at SACS when they were happening and what the nature of the shop would be after (gutted like Colt was/is the fear) -- and worried it might not bode well for products coming out. I hope that ultimately isn't the case. Time will tell.

Until we know for certain, to answer OP's question: Consensus remains that the Pro is still a top quality 1911 competing on equal terms with any of the other semi-custom makers -- Nighthawk, Baer, Brown, Wilson and Guncrafter.

Because the Pro can be had only one way (save for lightrail), the real questions is whether or not its specific set-up suits you? If so, at present I'd still feel confident buying one. But if its particular sights, checkering, magwell, finish, etc. aren't precisely what you want, I'd look elsewhere -- it's kind of a golden age for getting a supremely well-built 1911 to your specs.
 

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I received my Pro Rail this week, Built in late '17;
I can't believe how tight it locks up; Now I recall I must have bought my first one lightly used or it didn't lock up as tight to begin with
It literally is a struggle to get the slide moving;
I will be curious how fast or if it "breaks in" to some extent
 

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between 100 and 200 rounds and I could finally rack mine by hand.
 

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Congrats on the pro, OP I missed your post sorry

Comments below a tad late

I had a pro, great pistol got it broken in, but was not happy with the trigger seemed a tad heavy. All was good the pro was a work horse but with my aging eyes & the nightsights just didn’t work fast for me if that makes sense, Feeling the need for a Blued steel 1911 I ordered an ACW prime after shooting the prime I decided a few pistols were ready to go up the road the pro was one of them I took a hit on the pro(almost 15%)but I have faith My ACW Prime will endure.
Oh no QC issues with my pro, My pro was built just post the FBI contract concluded.
Here’s a thought, look for a pistol from a TRP on up lots of good deal abound. That may quench the thirst temporarily.
Steve Owens has some great insight,
But if you still feel the need go for the Heirloom,
Another pistol to ponder would be a WMG by Joe C
 
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