+1 on outstanding function, impact, and accuracy. It seems that those two as well as Winchester Ranger are chosen most often by folks who responded; any of the LE lines from the top makers is a good choice.45=230gr HST
9=Gold Dot 124+P
My pistols function 100% and are accurate with both. And they work.
This and similar types of exotic ammo focuses only on energy, thus the very light and very fast projectile, ignoring penetration and expansion, both of which (and shot placement) are critical. At least if you accept the FBI’s view of what makes solid self defense ammunition based on actual shooting (prompted by the 1986 Miami shootout event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout ). That’s one reason why folks prefer slower and heavier bullets such as 230gr. HST and 147gr. Gold Dot. You want to reach critical organs in less than ideal angles and with “stuff” in the way, for example an extended arm, or barriers ranging from clothing to windshield.
I bought a variety of their bullets to test. My testing was delayed recently when I discovered a compound crack in the cast iron bullet trap that I have inside the shop. The gelatin should stop the bullets but over penetration would result in a hole in the wall which would allow the Minnesota winter inside and I pay dearly to keep it at bay. The low outside temps would skew results. I'll resume as soon as the new trap is built.Thank you for the detailed and helpful follow up, @Merton and extending to more common calibers! The fact you can reload is an awesome plus, especially given no boon in the future of the ammo marketplace.
I want to share a suggestion and solicit feedback from others too wrt the usage of FMJ in different calibers. The primary scenarios for using FMJ as far as I understand it are: (1) concern a JHP wouldn’t expand given some problem (e.g., insufficient velocity, HP cavity plugged), and (2) a requirement for deep penetration.
Both of these can be addressed (after proper self testing) with the full copper, non-expanding Lehigh Defense penetration bullet which is available from them, WC (Wilson Combat bought the company), and Underwood.
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After stripping lots of marketing talk, they say this: ”…the Xtreme Penetrator Fluid Transfer Monolithic (XP FTM) product line, for both handgun and rifles. The progressive nose geometry allows for deep, straight penetration while creating a permanent wound cavity diameter exceeding that of most expanding bullets.”
The rest of the above as well as their offerings can be found on:Xtreme Penetrator - Our Technologies and it would be great if anyone who has done first hand testing, or research into these and can offer an informative view rather than my testing suggestion.
Awesome! I look forward to seeing your write up and takeaways. You definitely want to keep our bone chilling MN fog and cold out.I bought a variety of their bullets to test. My testing was delayed recently when I discovered a compound crack in the cast iron bullet trap that I have inside the shop. The gelatin should stop the bullets but over penetration would result in a hole in the wall which would allow the Minnesota winter inside and I pay dearly to keep it at bay. The low outside temps would skew results. I'll resume as soon as the new trap is built.
I've received notice from both Underwood and Lehigh of 20% off Thanksgiving sales!!
Howdy. Been using the Speer .45+P 230gr ammo in steel pistols. Said pistols have the Wilson stainless "Bulletproof" short guide rods and their plastic buffers to lower shock, along with 18.5lb recoil springs. That pretty much does what needs doing, and one can just shoot light loads in practice.The Lehigh bullets do see
I have yet to shoot the Lehigh-type bullets but the data that is out there is very compelling. It really does seem to work as advertised.
For me, your suggested uses of FMJ is about spot on. In the end, a non-expanding HP will still act as a FMJ, theoretically. I believe that under penetration is the biggest deterrent to me. I do not live with North America's large Brown and Grizzly bears, but I do live with cougars, wolves, feral dogs, black bear and other vicious if smaller animals like badger. 12-18 months ago I shot a badger at under 15 yards with a .45 FMJ and it did not exit that little animals body. It died, but it did not pass through and to this day I have wondered if somehow I missed the exit hole, but I didn't. That bullet stayed inside and it made me rethink everything. I used to carry a Ruger LCP .22lr in my jacket pocket as something of a "backup". Not only is it too unreliable of a backup as it is a semi-auto and a rimfire(a centerfire revolver is the true belly gun), but then of course there is the underwhelming performance of .22lr out of 2" barrels.
For me, the use of FMJ/hardcast is for a few reasons. I believe that reliability of course is tops with RN bullets. I also believe that cast will shoot better than lead in 90%+ barrels. I love the 200gr. SWC in the .45 as it is accurate and effective, but reliability drops with the SWC profile. The .45 is in my opinion the "perfect" cartridge for defense because the diameter, weight and slow speed are an ideal combination for bipedal animals that are under 24" deep at the juicy bits. My only concern with HP's in the .45 for my personal situation is that they could underpenetrate on a wolf or cougar, but though they live right outside my door Oregon has neither a cougar nor wolf attack of a human in the record, ever.
And then we have a weekend as nice as this one. I've been out three days in a row and its looking good for Sat and maybe Sunday. I can even live with digging brass out of the snow!Awesome! I look forward to seeing your write up and takeaways. You definitely want to keep our bone chilling MN fog and cold out.