Well I will start by saying, this season has been one of the worst in all my hunting career. This is the first season I had to "finish" a deer, and today was my second one, it also is a bad season because I've only seen one buck and had no shot. Well two time I had to finish my does this season, both were shot in the back. One I had my 1911 on hand and it took a whopping 4 rounds of FMJ .45acp behind the eye into the brain to kill her. The second one today, I shot in the back with a 30-06 and i slit its throat, she still wasn't dying quick enough, so I hauled ass back to the house for my Springer. When I got back it picked its head up and looked at me, I had to pump once again 4 fmj .45acps to kill her. Believe me when I tell these stories I am not enjoying it, I don't ever want a deer to suffer, but **** happens. I just want you guys to know that I will never carry FMJ's once I can afford to buy HP's. thought you all my like some real world "stopping" power.