Magazine Over Insertion

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  1. CW4RETIRED

    CW4RETIRED Member

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    Dec 18, 2018
    I have been experiencing magazine over insertion with my full-size 1911 Dan Wesson Specialist 9mm pistol. Description: When inserting a loaded magazine with the slide locked to the rear, the top of the magazine often ends up above the bottom of the slide, preventing the slide from coming forward to strip and chamber the first round. To resolve the malfunction, I have to press down hard on the top of the magazine to force it back down. I contacted Dan Wesson and they promptly responded saying that this is not uncommon because of the bumper pad. They suggested I keep that in mind when I put a magazine in and remember to push it in with less force. I can easily do this in a range environment, but under stress in a CCW situation I am concerned I may push to "hard" during a reload if one is required.

    Has anyone in this forum experienced this with any pistol, 1911 or otherwise?

    Does anyone have a suggestion or recommendation on replacement magazines that may resolve the issue?

    Thanks.
     
  2. KTXdm9

    KTXdm9 Well-Known Member

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    Sep 23, 2018
    I can't say I've had this issue. Do you have more than one brand you can try to see if it's the mags or your technique?

    My two suggestions would be less Wheaties for breakfast and lots of practice on smooth mag insertion. Assuming the mags are good, practice should allow you to develop muscle memory so it's no longer an issue.
     
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  3. Bender

    Bender Supporting Addict Supporting Addict

    Aug 15, 2011
    What mags are you using?
     
  4. CW4RETIRED

    CW4RETIRED Member

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    Dec 18, 2018
    Thanks for the quick responses KTXdm9 & Bender. I gave up my Wheaties immediately, so that might help. I did order extra mags from Dan Wesson shortly after purchasing the pistol. The magazines I ordered are identical to the ones that came with the gun. This happens with all of them. I've shot 1911s for many years. I currently have a Kimber and Wilson Combat with thousands of rounds through them. Even used the Wilson Combat for Steel Challenge competition a few times. I still shoot them both regularly and never have an issue with either. I guess I'll just have to modify my technique.
     
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  5. Dave Jessee

    Dave Jessee Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

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    Dec 31, 2014
    I don't have this problem with my 1911's and CZ's. This with Mec-Gar, Kimber, Wilson, and Colt mags.
     
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  6. Fred_G

    Fred_G Known Agitator

    Dec 29, 2015
    Make sure the bumper is not worn down, and make sure the bumper is properly seated on the mag.

    Ahh, I see it is with more than one mag... Might be time to contact DW again.
     
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  7. CW4RETIRED

    CW4RETIRED Member

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    Dec 18, 2018
    thanks Dave. I may order a Wilson mag to try.
     
  8. Old Sea Dragon

    Old Sea Dragon Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2018
    I occasionally have this problem with my Specialist 45. The last time it happened it was with a DW magazine but I am not sure if it is limited to their mags because I usually run a mix. I think mags should be forcefully inserted and seated but I am no gorilla. I do not know what the fix is but would like to know. A close inspection of the two magazines I was using resulted in noting that one baseplate has a little flash that needs trims but both are wearing similarly near the top end, where the mag catch locks in to the notch in the magazine body.
     
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  9. Novak77

    Novak77 Well-Known Member

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    Mar 1, 2019
    I've never had this happen to me with my .45 1911s or any pistols for that matter.

    +1 for trying out some different mags. IMO more often than not, when an auto pistol is having an issue feeding, cycling, slide holding open, etc it's the mags.

    The wife and I are picking up her 9mm 1911 this up coming weekend. We will keep our eyes peeled for this problem.
     
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  10. Dave Jessee

    Dave Jessee Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

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    Dec 31, 2014
    Although all say not to do so I do smack my mags in. I have replaced metal base pads with plastic/rubber base pads because that's what I prefer. Sometimes some trimming required due to under insertion but never a problem with over insertion. With the loaded mag seated there should be a little play (there will be spring resistance to this play) when pushing on the bottom of the mag.

    The mag shouldn't be dead headed against the mag release when inserted.
     
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  11. JohnnyEgo

    JohnnyEgo Well-Known Member

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    May 17, 2017
    You're not alone. I 'hard seat' my mags under stress all the time in Bowling Pin and USPSA. Supposedly, you're not supposed to man-handle them in there or shoot to lock, but sometimes I do. I was running Tripp Cobra 10mm 10 rounders with the Dawson baseplates, and by my second USPSA heat, the front strap edge had already worn through three of the five, enough so that I had the over-insertion issue when I shot to lock.

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    So options are don't over insert, don't shoot to lock, or don't use a mag with an all plastic floor plate. I went with the later. I ended up ordering a couple of Tripp aluminum floor plates and filing them down for my particular application. Most of my guns have a front strap edge that is thick enough not to carve up a baseplate, but my custom Delta is a little thin, and like a razor blade on plastic, apparently.
     
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  12. fieldgrade

    fieldgrade resident crank

    Mar 13, 2017
    Get mags with metal base pads. I shoot defensive matches every weekend. If your mags can't be seated with gusto, get different mags.

    Dawson puts their metal base pads on Metalforms and they run great for me.
     
  13. Dave Jessee

    Dave Jessee Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

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    Dec 31, 2014
    OK so much for being subtle. If your gun allows you to over insert your mags there is something wrong with it.
     
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  14. HooDoo Man

    HooDoo Man Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Dec 26, 2017
    That is not right. I sent my EB Kobra Carry for the bbl. to be flushed a reverse crown. That turned out beautiful. At the range the FtE the fired round would bloc the next rd. from going into battery. Sent it back in after replacing the worn extractor it running like a champ ***NOTE the E/B gunsmiths insist that you use ONLY EB Mags. there's to not set at the same dimension Whatever that means. So far running all EB Mag, and I'm at 100%. Next we will see how all the G/D's & HST's do. C/S was good, but you have to stay firm on what he problem is
     
  15. Sonic Ox

    Sonic Ox Well-Known Member

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    Aug 14, 2018
    I feel like it's a bit of a cop out on DW's part. You shouldn't be able to seat a magazine too hard with your bare hands in a combat situation. I've never experienced your issue with any pistol I've ever used and there have been quite a few... I think they should fix that. Just my $ 0.02
     
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  16. fieldgrade

    fieldgrade resident crank

    Mar 13, 2017
    This is troubling because the best mags I have found for 1911's in 9mm have been Metalform, which is what DW ships with their name on them, last time I checked.

    I don't run Wilson mags in 9mm because I bend the Shiite out of Colt 9mm ejectors, and rounds seemed to walk out of my 9mm Tripps mags, so I got nuthin...

    Sorry.
     
  17. JohnnyEgo

    JohnnyEgo Well-Known Member

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    May 17, 2017
    I've been pretty happy with the Nighthawk branded mags, which I believe are ACT, but I am not certain. They have a metal floor plate and a healthy rubber bumper. Work well in my Colt 9. Having said that, they also replaced the Colt ejector that broke off with the second magazine I tried to run through the gun. The one Nighthawk replaced is much more robust, and also much shorter.

    Anyways, I don't think this is really an 'end of the world, send the gun back in tears of despair' type of thing. Just switch to a mag with a metal floorplate that won't get chewed up by the front strap, and move on. But I do understand the frustration; felt that same way when it happened to me.
     
  18. BigJimP

    BigJimP Well-Known Member

    Mar 12, 2018
    Very Firmly & forcefully seating a mag in the gun...is the only way I have ever done it --- for over 50 yrs. I will always do it the same way...when I run a mag empty & the gun goes to slide lock. I will never "baby" a mag into a gun...and I put 8 - 10 boxes a week thru my primary 5" 1911 in 9mm ...Wilson protector model, that is 13 yrs old with over 300,000 rds thru it ....and I run tactical drills every week with that gun ...and at least 50 speed reloads every range day...

    It should not be possible to overseat a mag in my view ...unless there is something wrong with the mag design or the mag release where they lock in.

    It should also never have anything to do with the type of bumper pad you use on the mag.

    I think DW's response is BS....the mags need to be replaced ...or the mag release needs to be replaced in my view ( or both ). I would certainly try some Wilson mags....a buddy may have some or an acquaintance at your local range - so you can test it a little.

    I would also strip that gun down to a bare frame...removing that mag release & closely inspecting it for wear. I have never had to replace one.....but if it wasn't mfg'd properly it might wear out....
     
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  19. CW4RETIRED

    CW4RETIRED Member

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    Dec 18, 2018
     
  20. CW4RETIRED

    CW4RETIRED Member

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    Dec 18, 2018
    Thanks Old Sea Dragon. What other makes of magazines do you use?
    Thanks Fieldgrade. Excellent advice. I will take your suggestion. Thanks again.
     
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