Mental debate

Discussion in 'General 1911 talk' started by WICKED1340, Jul 28, 2020.

  1. WICKED1340

    WICKED1340 Member

    Jul 30, 2019
    Been trying to work this out for about 4 months, got caught up in the really fun 1911 scene, bought a bunch, sold a bunch. Have been lucky enough to have had a few really nice guns. Lots of fun. Now I want to get serious. Have been really wanting a custom 1911, willing to pay 2-4K, but want to buy an investment, something that won't tank in value. Anybody got some advice? Thinking a Cabot S100. Any thoughts and advice would be greatly appreciated.
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  2. monadh

    monadh Sapientiae Timor Domini Initium

    May 8, 2012
    I would like to recommend you look at Alchemy Custom Weaponry. They are a division of Cabot but they make more traditional 1911s. They are stunningly beautiful.

  3. Nineteen-ElevenObsession

    Nineteen-ElevenObsession Well-Known Member

    Jun 21, 2020
    What caliber are you looking for? I've got one of the very first Cabot S100s in 9mm that I am probably looking to part with to fund another project. Feel free to PM me if any interest.

    They are really beautiful guns. But part of this addition is the buying and selling you mentioned.

    Is this just going to be a range toy? For the most part, you can't really go wrong with any of the big names. Each offer their own unique offerings and build philosophies.

    Over the years, I've tried pretty much all of them. Baer, Brown, ACW, Cabot, NHC and Wilson. For me personally, I prefer Wilson over almost anything else. But everyone seems to find a brand they prefer in the long run.
  4. FWoo45

    FWoo45 Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2017
    You're not getting custom for $2k. Alchemy would be my choice in a semi custom, in your price range, if you live in a free state.
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  5. WICKED1340

    WICKED1340 Member

    Jul 30, 2019
    I'm in Oklahoma,
    Well I don't know how to answer the range toy question, cause I don't plan on shooting a bunch of people. So I guess it will be a range queen. If this helps, I shoot my ****, I love the smell of gun powder, and being a former Marine, won't think twice to pop who ever is breaking the law.
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  6. WICKED1340

    WICKED1340 Member

    Jul 30, 2019
    As the law is constitutional!
  7. Zero1911

    Zero1911 Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2019
    I’m guessing he’s wondering if you plan on carrying the 1911 that you decide on. If so, I would narrow it down to any 1911 that can reliably shoot the cheapest dirtiest ammo you can find and the hottest hollow points in a variety of grains. Lots of really tight 1911’s can’t get this done and are stunning range toys but I wouldn't trust my family’s safety to one. Find an old rattly Colt that a Marine would have used and start from there.
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  8. Dub

    Dub born in the wrong century

    Mar 19, 2017

    Prior to joint here I’d have been inept and foggy on facing such a decision.

    I’ll have to admit here and now I was simply in the dark.

    The majority of the gun owners I knew were hunters. For the most part the lions share of their gun money went towards accurate bolt action rifles, best glass they could afford and a few shotguns each. Handguns were low priority.

    There really weren’t many friends to bounce ideas around with on handguns. I quietly went down that road on my own.....then a buddy jumped on the bandwagon and we both had same/similar Blackhawks, G20, S&W 500 and etc.

    He got more into Ruger wheelguns as I went down the CZ75, Sig, Glock path for years.

    We each had a 1911. His a .45 Kimber Eclipse. I had an early SA Loaded. We both figured folks were crazy for buying high dollar 1911 guns......they all looked and felt the same....made of same parts....why spend thousands when hundreds worked as well ?????

    Over the years we remained good friends and our gun tastes changed. He got heavy into AR15 & AR10....and the DA Ruger wheelies.

    I upheld my “small gun safe policy”. If it won’t fit in there then I can’t have it, lol. (Oh how I could revisit that self-imposed policy).

    Joining 1911 Addicts found me at the point where I was daily carrying 5” TRP & Loaded (set up very similarly) and still failing to understand what more the 1911 had to offer.

    All I can say is that the logic, rationale, and EXPERIENCE of you and fellow members here has helped me to grow in my understanding of the vast differences among 1911 offerings.

    Quality of materials, fitment of parts, finish options, functional customization, setup that best fits the shooters hand & sighting........huge array of considerations.

    Grateful for the Addict insight. It’s sure helped me to “get it right” with gun purchases. I’ve slowed my roll and better considered the features that appeal most to me......and bought guns that will fit my needs-wants long term.

    Fewer guns inbound......but better selected for a lasting fit in my “small safe policy”. :)

    Quality parts, excellent fitment for long lasting accuracy & reliability.....OP will have lots of solid options in 2k-4K budget in semi-custom and I believe you steered him very well towards the Alchemy Custom offerings.

    I’m very interested in a Prime Elite and saving my coins.

    Some people say that being on 1911Addicts has cost them money.

    My time here has been quite the opposite.....I’ve saved money. The insight from here has helped me see a bigger picture.

    Now......if we can only be assured that we will be able to continue in our gun-related hobby. Huge looming worry there.


    Perhaps this is one of those situations where it’s impossible to discern the intent of a poster....typed responses much more difficult to interpret than real conversation.

    Humor, sarcasm ? That’s my take....hopefully.
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  9. Green Dragoon

    Green Dragoon Active Member

    May 6, 2020
    Many may not agree with me on this, but I don't think any or many could be considered an investment. In my neck of the woods, there are a LOT of very high-end 1911's, new and used, sitting on dealer's shelves, even during these days with the high demand for handguns.
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  10. StrawHat

    StrawHat Well-Known Member

    Sep 18, 2015
    (I am not knowledgeable of self loading pistols. Revolvers are more my style, especially those chambered for the 45 ACP cartridge.)

    Is a custom pistol that much better than say a Dan Wesson or similar pistol?

    I read above one poster saying that some custom pistols can’t handle all ammunition. Is that a function of the builder or the owner? Did the builder build too toght or did the owner not make his thought known?

    I recall an article by Ross Seyfried in which he commented on the pistols that won him the world championship title twice. He said he told the builder they had to be 100% reliable. If they went bang, it was up to him to get the bullets to the target. He won those titles with basically carry pieces out out carry leather!

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  11. *Double Diamond Colt*

    *Double Diamond Colt* Well-Known Member

    Jan 15, 2020
    If I wanted an investment that wasn't going to tank I would buy a cherry WWI gun but that's just my opinion .
    My buddy that works at a gun store that dose a very large volume of business says the majority of semi custom guns that come in go for $1550 to $1800 . His words not mine but I have seen many in the show case for that price range . That said they don't last long either .

    Is there really a BAD Choice out there . LB , WC ,NH Cabot , ACW ,Ed Brown I think they all make very high quality guns in the $3500 range In 15 yrs will they be worth 10K I doubt it but they sure make good reliable weapons that anyone would be proud to own .

    A lot really depends on what you like to look at when you are holding that investment of hard earned cash . Personally I like the Alchemy Custom weaponry old school approach because Im a deep Blue and wood guy . Sorry but I don't want stars in my trigger or stainless or strange cocking serrations. In short the gun should make you happy everytime you look at it and happier when you shoot it no matter what your taste

    Do any of these guns shoot a lot better than the others would have to test it in a Ransom rest at 50 yards to find out because the 15 yrd targets some of them give you with the guns is a joke.
    Anything will group shots that close , Heck as a kid I could do that with ball bearings and a sling shot LOL

    Dan Wesson , STI and Colt Combat Elite or WC are also some less expensive alternatives that could well give a comparable performance and from what I have seen hold their value pretty well
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  12. *Double Diamond Colt*

    *Double Diamond Colt* Well-Known Member

    Jan 15, 2020
    Yep I think there are probably a lot better things to try to make into investments than custom 1911s . Whenever I buy a really nice gun people ask are you going to shoot that and I say heck yea . Im sure not going to leave it sit in the safe hoping it will acquire a little more value till my eyes go bad and I cant see to shoot it LOLOL
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  13. random84

    random84 Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2020
    I see the investment less in monetary terms (though that is nice); and more intrinsic: there will always be a market for functional firearms so the added aesthetic is for my personal enjoyment.

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  14. Green Dragoon

    Green Dragoon Active Member

    May 6, 2020
    I agree. I bought two "minty" S&W N frames from the 70's over the past year. So many people are shocked that I shoot them.
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  15. Green Dragoon

    Green Dragoon Active Member

    May 6, 2020
    I do too, but the OP wanted something that wouldn't "tank in value".
  16. *Double Diamond Colt*

    *Double Diamond Colt* Well-Known Member

    Jan 15, 2020
    I have a nice 629 I bought new ages ago for $400 . I have a Blued 6.5in 29 just because Dirty Harry had it LOL and Blue 45 LC that I hunt with . taken a few Bucks with that gun and 8.5 of unique with a 250 gr lead bullet .
    They have all appreciated since I bought them and I shoot the 2 blued guns all the time .
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  17. El Perdido

    El Perdido Fictional Western Sage

    Oct 3, 2011
    Buy a Les Baer and "invest" in a Dillon 550
  18. retrieverman

    retrieverman Well-Known Member

    May 16, 2013
    I’ve got to agree that for purely “investment” purposes a Dillon would be better than a semi custom 1911 of any flavor (as the resale markets has sucked for a while).
    Though I don’t have one yet myself, I would also recommend an Alchemy for a semi custom 1911 in your projected price range.
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2020
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  19. AZ Husker

    AZ Husker Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Oct 14, 2017
    Today is a seller's market for Glocks and cheaper pistols. I can't believe I'm seeing them going for up to $1K. Yet in higher end 1911's it's a buyer's market. Wilsons for less than $1500, DW's for around $1,000 shipped. I've picked up very expensive Guncrafter Industries for half price.
  20. azguy1911

    azguy1911 I'm done buying guns, I'm just a bystander now

    Oct 22, 2015
    Want an investment? spend $7,500 plus the cost of a base gun for a Burton or Yost makeover, short of that everything will be worth less as it ages.

    You could spec out a NH or WC build for $4,000 and be lucky to get $3,000 1 year later
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