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My Fault or the Gunsmith's [Opinions Wanted]

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Hello, everyone. Thanks in advance for your time and opinions. I'll try to make this brief.

I own a mint condition Browning Auto-5 Light Twelve (Miroku, Japan) shotgun with 25.5" ribbed hunting barrel. I wanted to use this shotgun as a home defense tool (if necessary), so I bought a slightly used barrel on Gunbroker. I planned to send the spare barrel to a professional gunsmith for chopping down (18") and adding a new brass bead.

I googled photos (forum posts, Instagram, Facebook, etc) of nice looking Browning Auto-5 Light Twelve shotguns with modified 18" barrels. More than once, I came across the name of a certain gunsmithing shop that is (according to the posts) well-versed in the Browning Auto-5 Light Twelve. (Shortening a shotgun barrel isn't exactly rocket science, but I wanted the best gunsmith available to the task, so I trusted the search results.)

I contacted the gunsmith and asked:

"Hello. I’ve got a Miroku-made Browning Auto-5 Light Twelve shotgun, and I’d like to add a shorter barrel for home defense purposes. I’d rather not go thru the NFA hassles of an F1/SBS (altho I am very keen to do that in the future), so I’m settling on an 18” length with a smooth bore for 00 Buck. What might be the price for cutting down a second barrel and adding the front bead sight? (Unless you happen to have a spare barrel handy, I'd be supplying the barrel myself.) Thanks for your time. Regards."

I received the following reply:

"Hi yeah sure..Auto Five chop, crown, and bead on a customer supplied barrel is 175 and return freight."

I agreed to the price, bought a spare barrel on GB, and sent it to him shortly thereafter.

He replied a few days later that I had sent him a MAGNUM barrel by mistake. I apologized for buying the wrong barrel. (I had specifically omitted search results that mentioned MAGNUM in the ad, but I made the mistake of thinking that even though the ad didn't mention MAGNUM, that it would be Light Twelve by default. LOL Nope!) Anyway, the gunsmith told me that he had a good Light Twelve barrel there that he would be willing to swap for my Magnum barrel. My reply was an enthusiatic, "That sounds fantastic! Let’s do it. Thanks!"

A few days later, he told me that the barrel job was complete.

Remembering that the shotgun on which the new barrel was to be placed is mint condition, I replied:

"One last question… My Auto-5 is mint condition. Not a single scratch or ding anywhere, not even the wood. So I’m thinking that a matching, beautifully refinished and blued barrel might look super sweet. Is that a service that you provide? Or should I use a third party for that particular step? (I think Turnbull does bluing. Tyler Gun Works too, I believe. So it’s no big deal if you don’t.) Thanks again!”

His reply was a simple: "I can reblue it, will 125 to the total "

My reply: "Heck yeah! Make it minty. :) "

A few days later I receive an email stating that the work was complete. I paid the full sum of the bill, and the barrel was shipped to my doorstep, as expected.

What I did NOT expect was the condition of a newly blued and professionally refinished shotgun barrel. It arrived rusty, dirty, and SUPER GRITTY. (The surface of the barrel is like sandpaper, and that is NOT an exaggeration.)

Now, I am a shotgun novice. (I'm also a very patient and forgiving person, so it's my nature to often make excuses for other people. To be clear, I don't make excuses for people out of some sense of selfless compassion. I do it because I fully understand that it's ME who is the newbie is many situations. The things that I "know" aren't always true. I make mistakes, so the faults that I find in others may actually be my own fault. At least sometimes and/or on some levels. In the case of this shotgun barrel, I am a shotgun newbie. Plus, this is my first professionally refinished shotgun barrel. So the mixup could be mine. I specifically asked for "minty" (which I admit is not a technical term) and even gave Turnbull's work as an example of what I was expecting, so I'm inclined to think that the fault might not be mine.

Was there a specific terminology that I failed to mention that would have changed the results?

Is this the way barrels always come?

Please feel free to advise me. And I'm happy to post more pics upon request.

For what it's worth, the following photos were taken a few minutes ago. The background is a matte white photography background paper with a few paper towels. The first photo is of the paper towels after I gave the barrel a quick wipedown. (I never wiped the rusted loading end, just the exposed barrel area and the rib. In fact, the very dark spots on the left paper towel came from the rib area.) The second and third photos are of the untouched rusty end. (Am I supposed to clean / polish that part?)

Thanks again, everyone.

Regards,
ZR

PS — I'm not trying to flame this gunsmith. I just need to know if this is somehow MY fault (as in failing to be specific enough, etc) before emailing the gunsmith about my concern. I don't wish to "jump the gun," so to speak. :)

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Mr. or Mrs. Fussbudget!
LOL!!!!!
Serious for a minute......
I hope this gets resolved.
Reading your post I was planning to make a joke about rust blueing, but seeing the pictures - ouch! I think you definitely have something to complain about.

Could it have rusted in transit? Even so, this looks like a finish issue to be fixed under warranty.
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Yikes all I can say is yikes
I hate bluing sold everything off in that finish other than lever actions it def rusts no doubt but damn I cant believe it could have rusted that much that fast in transit .
Probably not but I dont know
Good luck hope it gets settled to your satisfaction .
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That looks horrible, and should be resolved by the smith.
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Bluing's lustre or lack thereof is a function of the metal prep -- fundamentally, the degree of polish the metal receives before going into the bluing tanks.

Matte blue is usually bead blasted, which can have a gritty feel to it. More mirror-like comes from more polish, which is more time and more work, thus more cost.

If you didn't square with your gunsmith exactly what kind of bluing -- as in metal prep -- he offers and what kind you wanted, that might explain some of the disconnect.

That said, the barrel should have been oiled, boxed and shipped in such a way that rusting in transit should not happen. You have every right to politely follow-up with your gunsmith regarding both the finish and (especially) the rust and see what he says.

Based on his response, forum members can advise you further, but first and foremost your gunsmith needs to be made aware of the situation and have a chance to account for his side of things; that will either establish how forthright, fair and professional he is or is not, and only then will you -- and we -- know what you're working with.
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Yikes hopefully he makes that right. Something is amiss. It is going to be hard to match Turnbull’s bluing though if that’s what you are envisioning.
If you paid for the work done in those pictures then it looks like you got scammed.
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What you posted looks like a train wreck. I'd contact the smith with photos and see what he has to say.
That’s terrible looking…I would send it elsewhere. Good luck!
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His fault. It actually looks like it was blued while it was already rusty, IMO. Pretty skanky to take your pristine barrel and offer you his, without telling you that his was not exactly pristine. Double skanky when he actually charged you even more to make it so, then sent you THAT. Sorry for what you're going through.
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I’m on my phone but to me it looks like it was maybe bead blasted and the extension that goes into the receiver wasn’t blued? Then it was shipped without any oil applied? You definitely need to contact that gunsmith. I’m not understanding your choice of HD shotty but that’s a different convo.
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What you posted looks like a train wreck. I'd contact the smith with photos and see what he has to say.
Right? Looks like something dredged out of a lake!
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Definitely not your fault.
I think short barrel Brownings are pretty cool and notoriously so did B&C.
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EGAD man! What does the bore look like? That looks like somebody's kid left it out in the yard... for a month.
That it is not your fault is obvious. I said that first because you should have been more explicit in your communications and verification of that gunsmith’s reputation (e.g., a post here asking if anyone had experience or feedback on him).

That said, you dealt with him in good faith and what you got back is unacceptable. I don’t want to read to much into his communication style, which is not professional, but when you follow up be very explicit and detailed.

I am sorry you ended up with this situation and hope you can resolve it with minimal effort and frustration.
Cutting a shotgun barrel down and rebluing is gunsmithing 101
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That looks like crap, I’d deff be having a talk to that guy.
Looks mostly like bad flash rust
Should have been heavily oiled before packing and shipping. I’ll bet it looked great when it left but without protection during transit in and out of hot/cold warehouses and trucks you get condensation and rust
Everybody remains calm and friendly I’d bet this could be resolved

Now more importantly look up photos of the Rhodesian Auto5 guns…..that’s the look for a home Defence version of this:)
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Looks mostly like bad flash rust
Should have been heavily oiled before packing and shipping. I’ll bet it looked great when it left but without protection during transit in and out of hot/cold warehouses and trucks you get condensation and rust
Everybody remains calm and friendly I’d bet this could be resolved

Now more importantly look up photos of the Rhodesian Auto5 guns…..that’s the look for a home Defence version of this:)

The main issue outside the rust is that a blasted, matte finish isn't what the customer wanted and won't nearly match his factory polished finish. That barrel may NOT be salvageable to be polished.
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