New Les Baer

Discussion in 'General 1911 talk' started by Tarpon Hunter, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. Tarpon Hunter

    Tarpon Hunter Well-Known Member

    May 29, 2018
    I just got a brand new Custom Carry SS Commanche .45. Right out of the box I couldn't get the slide release lever to move up into position to lock the slide back manually. The metal on the slide inside that notch looked swirled, not flat smooth. I oiled with CLP, that area and around the lever itself. Then it worked fine. I have 4 Springfield 1911's and never encountered that problem.

    Once the lever was moving, i couldn't get the slide to lock back by racking with the empty magazines in,that came with the gun, yet it would lock with my Chip McCormick and Springfield magazines. I called the company and was told you shouldn't rack the slide with an empty magazine and never slingshot the slide closed, always use the slide release lever.

    I shot it today for the 1st time, putting close to 200 rounds through it. It worked flawlessly, locking back when empty with all the different mags. I was a happy camper but when I went to show 3 friends the gun, an hour later, none of us could budge the slide stop lever up to lock the slide back, even after oiling it. Plus the slide would no longer lock back with the Chip McCormick mags. I'm waiting for a call back from Les and I'm sure it will get fixed but has anybody had this problem before or is it just me? Thanks.
     
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  2. Sneaky One

    Sneaky One Well-Known Member

    Aug 14, 2016
    Congrats on a great gun. From what I understand that is typical for his commander pistols due to the frame he uses. I'm sure Les will tell you it is your fault.
     
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  3. John Hebert

    John Hebert Active Member

    63
    May 26, 2018
    I am all for a tight gun but Baer is going a little to far with making it so difficult to pull the slide back etc. My first Baer was never loose enough for me to pull back the slide without a struggle! I called Baer on 3 occasions to discuss my issue and was told it is the a break in process?? If that is the case just give me a Ed Brown or Wilson combat. You should not have to struggle with a brand new gun out of the box PERIOD!
     
  4. Tarpon Hunter

    Tarpon Hunter Well-Known Member

    May 29, 2018
    Racking the slide is NOT the problem. I was expecting it be be hard from all that I've read but it wasn't any harder than the Springfields. The problem is the slide release lever cannot be pushed UP to lock it back
     
  5. 7.62Kolectr

    7.62Kolectr On guard

    Jun 6, 2018
    Shoot 500rnds thru it first. It'll break in and loosen up.
     
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  6. Slapshot

    Slapshot Well-Known Member

    Sep 6, 2017
    Yep - Les will probably tell you the same. Don't strip it, clean it, or call Les with a problem until you put 500 rounds thru it. I ain't saying it's right but that's the way it is. I've got a Stinger that's one of my favorite guns even though it won't sling shot. The Wilson Vickers I just picked up from @tarheeldoc may relegate the Baer to second favorite gun.
     
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  7. Tarpon Hunter

    Tarpon Hunter Well-Known Member

    May 29, 2018
    I can understand things being tight but the lever being frozen in place? Come on. It's never, ever happened with anything else
     
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  8. 7.62Kolectr

    7.62Kolectr On guard

    Jun 6, 2018
    You said
    'I shot it today for the 1st time, putting close to 200 rounds through it. It worked flawlessly, locking back when empty with all the different mags'

    Keep shooting. It'll loosen up.
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2018
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  9. Spokes

    Spokes Supporting Addict Supporting Addict

    Sep 18, 2011
    Don't hold your breath waiting for that call back..
     
  10. dimedog

    dimedog Well-Known Member

    200
    Jul 27, 2017
    Keep shooting....., Baers are meant to be used....ALOT
    It will loosen up for sure and become smooth
     
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  11. ssnake59

    ssnake59 Member

    30
    Jul 11, 2018
    Just picked up a Thunder Ranch. It’s tight right out of the box. But none of the issues you are having.


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  12. j quan

    j quan Well-Known Member

    199
    Feb 1, 2018
    keep shooting it! i know of 3 baers, nib that were way too tight. donot take it apart, oil til wet, typically the slide will not fully travel, open or shut. they are really a pain. then 300 to 500 rds later, they begin to work. baer expects you to break it in. my friends bought baers because of this, they loved the fact that they are built so tight that initially, it work work. for that reason, i will never buy a baer. a custom gun built right should shoot, first time, every time. properly built, there should be nothing to "break in".
     
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  13. Old Sea Dragon

    Old Sea Dragon Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2018
    Break in and broken sound way to similar to me, still working through break in with a DW Specialist Cmdr after 675 rounds. Not a fan of the concept and not interested in any more pistols that require it.
     
  14. Tarpon Hunter

    Tarpon Hunter Well-Known Member

    May 29, 2018
    He called me back the same day. Told me some things to check. Took the slide off, pulled the barrel,etc. The lever still wouldn't budge. He told me to call today if that didn't fix it. I'm going to have to send it back. I'll shot a few more rounds this weekend but wonder if the slide will even stay back when empty now because it won't when I rack the slide with an empty mag.
     
  15. Slapshot

    Slapshot Well-Known Member

    Sep 6, 2017
    It does sound like this one needs to go back to LB. I also understand people feeling that a hard fit gun is not a finished gun and that would be hard to argue but....... There's just something about them that I really enjoy. I've got two Baer's that I've never had a problem with other than a Stinger that won't sling shot. They shoot great and never fail to put a smile on my face. It's not for everyone but if you do your research before you buy you know what you're getting in to when you buy a LB. Hard fit gun, 500 round break-in, fragile bluing, grumpy CS dept., etc... To me it adds a little to the mystique of the gun. On the other hand if i got one that didn't run right I might not be so happy.
     
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  16. sean10mm

    sean10mm Well-Known Member

    240
    Mar 19, 2018
    The slide stop issue Tarpon Hunter described is a defect, full stop (no pun intended).

    That aside, extreme tightness in a Baer is 100% deliberate on Baer's part. You don't have to like it, but it's how they do it, so if it's not your style just don't buy a Baer because you aren't getting anything else from them.

    vvv That's weird as heck, a NIB box Baer 3+ years old? Can't fault Les for that one! :laugh:
     
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  17. Tarpon Hunter

    Tarpon Hunter Well-Known Member

    May 29, 2018
    Problem solved. First time I called the company, a woman told me that they shoot 125 rounds out of the guns to test before packaging. When Les called, he said the serial number of the gun showed it was built in February, 2015. So it sat on a shelf for over 3 years until now. It was sold as new and I believe it by the packaging and that there isn't a mark on it. There was a sheet in the box stating since this gun was stainless steel, to not clean or remove the lubrication on it until after the 200 to 500 round break in.

    I had taken the gun apart once to check for the things Les mentioned and reassembled it and it still wasn't moving. Today it hit me to look closely at the the slide stop lever and around the detente spring for dirt since it did have all those rounds through it and sat for 3 years. The groove on top of the slide stop was packed with fouling as was the whole area around the spring detente. Being packed in there for 3 years, it must have hardened up. Cleaned it, oiled it, problem gone.

    I know guys complain about Baers' being too tight but I guess I lucked out because this one is no worse than my Springfield Elite RO's. Happiness is a clean gun.
     

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  18. Slapshot

    Slapshot Well-Known Member

    Sep 6, 2017
    Glad it all worked out for you and I'm sure you're going to love it.
     
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  19. Tarpon Hunter

    Tarpon Hunter Well-Known Member

    May 29, 2018
    I've only shot it once but I did love it. Going to the range tomorrow. It came with night sights which are a bitch for me to see in medium light situations. I ordered a fiber optic front sight which came standard on the Springfields'. They are a sight for old eyes.
     
  20. Spokes

    Spokes Supporting Addict Supporting Addict

    Sep 18, 2011
    Sounds like you are now a happy Baer customer..
     
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