Nighthawk Thunder Ranch Surface Rust

Discussion in 'General 1911 talk' started by Choc. Lab, Jul 11, 2020.

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  1. Choc. Lab

    Choc. Lab Member

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    Apr 14, 2020
    ** This is an informational post only, by no means am I upset or bashing any company in this thread***

    Shot a couple hundred rounds last night so this morning I figured its been a month so this morning I decided to clean it. While I was wiping down the frame something caught my eye. I went ahead and removed my left side (body side) grip panel. Sure enough, 4 tiny spots of surface rust directly inline with the edge of the grip panel. Now I've been carrying this daily since the first few days I've had it 2-2 1/2mo, 12 -14hr days

    Moral of the story is to not be like me and wipe your guns down more regularly, regardless of the finish on the gun.....if you're worried about it.

    Just some history been carrying 1911's for that last 2.5yrs, before this was a DW VBOB, didn't have any issues. The six years before that was various plastic HK models. Did get some surface rust on P30 before I smartened up and realized I should pay attention better.I must have some acidic body sweat. Good thing these are daily tools and not show pieces.
     
  2. IndyExit

    IndyExit Well-Known Member

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    Apr 30, 2018
    You were able to rust a stainless nitrided gun? Impressive.
     
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  3. B81

    B81 Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2018
    Pictures would help.
     
  4. B81

    B81 Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2018
    Stainless can rust, although I'm pretty sure the base material on the Thunder Ranch is carbon steel. The gun has a Nitride finish though. A Nitrided gun shouldn't rust.
     
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  5. Choc. Lab

    Choc. Lab Member

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  6. retrieverman

    retrieverman Well-Known Member

    May 16, 2013
    I’ve had rust on nitrided Blaser rifle barrels, so yeah, it can happen.
     
  7. azguy1911

    azguy1911 I'm done buying guns, I'm just a bystander now

    Oct 22, 2015
    From the picture it looks more like defect in the finish than rust
     
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  8. retrieverman

    retrieverman Well-Known Member

    May 16, 2013
    From the wear, it doesn’t look like it’s been nitrided to me.

    I’ll look under the grip panel of my nitrided Baer and report back.
     
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  9. asiparks

    asiparks Supporting Addict Supporting Addict

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    Aug 18, 2011
    “smoked” nitride perhaps ?
    i’d go with defective finish.
     
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  10. retrieverman

    retrieverman Well-Known Member

    May 16, 2013
    After looking at mine, I agree something must’ve gone wrong when they “smoked” the nitride, because regular nitride doesn’t look like that even after several years of wear.
     
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  11. Choc. Lab

    Choc. Lab Member

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    Apr 14, 2020
    I'll keep an eye on it. Maybe someone from NHC will chime in.
     
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  12. IndyExit

    IndyExit Well-Known Member

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    Apr 30, 2018
    Almost overlooked was the excellent selection of duty guns you've had over the years.
     
  13. swampgas

    swampgas Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Mar 10, 2019
    Couple of years back I started noticing nasty stuff happening to frames under VZ grips. All of my NightHawks have been built without VZ grips ever touching the steel. I was concerned enough when I first noticed it on DW guns that I began replacing all VZ grips I had, some just got tossed, some are never on guns I purchase, some I gave away. There's no science involved, or any photos cause it's old news to me now, and I can't prove a damn thing except what I saw on my guns. Just my experience with VZ, others may differ. But VZ grips won't go on a gun I own, what everyone else does is their business and I could not care less. And I suspect VZ could not care less about my guns. LOL
     
  14. swampgas

    swampgas Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Mar 10, 2019
    Also, Nitride, Melonite, QPQ leaves a brown residue on the treated item. Get an oily patch and run it down the bore and chamber, you'll get some light reddish brown residue, haven't seen it on my NightHawks which tells me they do a pretty good cleaning prior to shipping, except the bore will have a bit of carbon from the test firing.
     
  15. Capthobo

    Capthobo NRA Endowment member Supporting Addict

    Nov 9, 2016
    For what it’s worth, I recommend using barrier insulation grip protectors under VZ grip panels.
    The VZ grips tend to rub a hash pattern into the metal under them that resembles the finish on the back of the grips.
    I’m not knocking the VZ grips as I use them almost exclusively on my guns.
    The insulator or protectors are available from Alumigrip and well worth the investment.
     
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  16. boatdoc

    boatdoc Well-Known Member

    Aug 3, 2015
    email NHC. they will take care of you for sure
     
  17. Jimhoag

    Jimhoag In Kentucky

    Jun 14, 2013
    I've hsd stainless steel cinch buckles rust. The saddle cinch heys exposed to horse sweat and eater crossing creeks
     
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  18. Chuc

    Chuc Active Member

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    Mar 10, 2013
    Use EPI’s 501 oil under the grips and wipe it down with the EPI 501. It’s got 100+ hours of salt spray resistance. My 1911’s have either a black nitride or a “smoked” black nitride finish on them. My latest is the ACW303 Prime I did with black nitride and polished with 3000 grit to get the smoked nitride finish. The EPI 501 soaks into the pores and displaces water. I put the oil into old spray bottles of Gibbs and use it that way. Give that a try. My Nighthawk Thunder Ranch also had the rough smut under the grip panels but it rubbed off using the EPI and a rag. The slight discoloration is still present but it’s because I don’t mind it enough to polish it to the smoked nitride finish.
     
  19. Uncle Bob

    Uncle Bob Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2017
    Even hard chrome will rust depending on the PH levels of your sweat. I know this to be a fact, since it happened to me, always in the checkering on the front strap of my competition 70 series. Shooting in the heat of the summer up in the high desert gets you sweating.
     

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