OLD Colty Commercial question

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  1. joerockhead

    joerockhead "BOURBON" It's not just for Breakfast anymore ! Supporting Addict

    Oct 12, 2011
    Okay,
    I need some help ....
    I ran across a Colt Commercial from the 20's
    I'm having a hard time believing it hasn't been refinished...
    It shows signs of wear.. but still looks pretty good for its age...
    What should or could I look for to help identify if it's been reblued ?
    What should I look for to tell if it's original ??

    I mean ... I can even see the arrow in the Colt's mouth ..

    The current owner says he was told by its previous owner the gun was original...

    Is this gun in the $ 1500 dollar range ??

    Sorry no pics...
     
  2. xerts1191

    xerts1191 Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2017
    Without pics its tough, make a trip over to the Colt Forum tell them what your eyeballing and the questions you have about it
     

  3. Karl Beining

    Karl Beining Well-Known Member

    Oct 8, 2015
    Thats a good buy for a prewar Commercial in good original finish. Be advised, being pre A1 it has more collector than shooter value. Things I would want to be very sure of is the finish original? Is the Slide, barrel, sights, small parts original? Any cracks in the slide or peening at the slide stop notch? See pic for Marking info
     

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  4. Razer

    Razer On The Razers Edge Staff Member Admin Moderator Supporting Addict

    Jul 1, 2012
  5. 41 Charlie

    41 Charlie Get off my lawn...

    Feb 4, 2014
    Good luck, sounds like the roll marks are crisp. I’d love to see some pictures. At that price, I’d probably roll the dice...
     
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  6. joerockhead

    joerockhead "BOURBON" It's not just for Breakfast anymore ! Supporting Addict

    Oct 12, 2011
    Thanks..

    By more collector vs shooter value ..
    Do you mean it has more " safe queen" ( buy it an hold it ) vs buy it to shoot it value ??
     
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  7. Karl Beining

    Karl Beining Well-Known Member

    Oct 8, 2015
    I mean the slides were not hardened like modern (post A1 improvements 1924ish) and they can peen and break from use (I have one in the safe now).
     
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  8. joerockhead

    joerockhead "BOURBON" It's not just for Breakfast anymore ! Supporting Addict

    Oct 12, 2011
    Thank You !!!
     
  9. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    I don't know if this helps, but this is what a refinished 1918 Colt commercial looks like.

    The sides of the slide and frame are too perfect, TOO shiny. The rampant pony isn't complete (but some older examples could have been weak roll-marked).

    1918 Colt Commercial - 006.JPG

    1918 Colt Commercial - 008.JPG

    1918 Colt Commercial - 009.JPG

    1918 Colt Commercial - 010.JPG

    1918 Colt Commercial - 028.JPG



    You will notice there isn't any of the original "grain" left in the finish.


    Now take a look at the inside surfaces. These were not polished. You can see the grain from the original surfaces. Those light streaks will be more pronounced on the inside of the gun, but should be evident on the exterior surfaces as well.

    1918 Colt Commercial - 018.JPG

    1918 Colt Commercial - 016.JPG


    I don't think Colt was doing highly polished slide flats until right around the appearance of the Series 70 guns, but someone more knowledgeable will come along and correct or confirm me.

    Hope this helps.

    Z
     
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  10. joerockhead

    joerockhead "BOURBON" It's not just for Breakfast anymore ! Supporting Addict

    Oct 12, 2011
    Thank You @ ZOID...
    This leads me to believe the one I'm looking at may not be refinished after all.
     
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