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Para Cycling Issues???

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First things first, I'm no expert and certainly not a novice either. I have an extensive knowledge about the basics as it relates to handguns in general. Anyways, I have a double stack government size Para chambered in .45. That said, I have had nothing but problems with this gun. It routinely will not go in to battery after a round in fired. Should mention, the gun is virtually brand new.

A few things I have tried:
-tried new recoils springs varying from 17-20 pound (same issues)
-replaced the magazine springs with Wolff max springs
-switched the full length guide rod to a GI guide rod
-polished the feed ramp
-had frame and slide de-burred
-replaced and tuned the extractor

I am frustrated as "MOST" of the time one or a combination of these changes remedy the issue(s). Does anyone have any additional suggests?

Thank you!!!!
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Is it a prior owned (used) pistol?

If you haven't, you should run the plunk test to determine if your reloaded ammo is too long or the chamber is too tight for your factory ammo.

Remove the recoil spring and the extractor then try manually feeding your ammo from a magazine. If it feeds flawlessly, the extractor probably needs some attention.
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This is a brand new gun! I have thrown factory ball ammo (American Eagle) and self defense ammo (Federal HST) at it and it consistently does the same thing. I don't use reloaded ammo.
Brand new and no reloads. That's two items to cross off the list.

Do the plunk test with a double handful of each of your factory ammo choices.
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There are a few videos on You Tube about Para's doublestack feeding issues.
Brand new and no reloads. That's two items to cross off the list.

Do the plunk test with a double handful of each of your factory ammo choices.
That's exactly what I'm saying!!! LOL!!!! I cannot figure this one out!! As mentioned, "usually" the things I have done work!!! I need some help here
Brand new and no reloads. That's two items to cross off the list.

Do the plunk test with a double handful of each of your factory ammo choices.
Steve thank you for always chiming in with class, knowledge and a good attitude! You always are informative and never talk down on anyone with less knowledge than you.. You are an asset to this forum and I appreciate you
I looked for and at para issues for a while before buying one and the only thing I've read about para feed problems you haven't covered is a rough breech face.

An inexpensive test would be to try a RIA HC mag, they may work for you. They work flawlessly in my Para .40.

I cannot figure this one out!! I need some help here
With these issues it's best to slow down and take a deliberate path to diagnose the problem.

At this point we know it's a brand new pistol and that it's choking on factory FMJ and JHP ammo.

The next thing to do is run the plunk test with both types of ammo using two handfuls of each. Here's the plunk test:
  1. Remove the barrel
  2. Hold it vertically with the chamber up and the muzzle down
  3. Drop a round into the chamber. You should hear a distinctive sound when the brass case mouth impacts the steel chamber ledge
  4. Push the round hard against the chamber ledge while rotating it. It should rotate easily
  5. Tip the barrel muzzle up. The round should easily fall out of the chamber
Set that round aside and repeat the test with 19 more rounds of ammo.

Repeat the test with the other ammo type.

If the barrel does not pass this test, the chamber should be finish reamed. If the barrel passes this test, you can rule out a minimum spec chamber as the problem and move on to the next diagnostic test.

The next diagnostic test is manual feeding to determine if the extractor is the problem.
  1. Remove the recoil spring
  2. Remove the extractor
  3. Seat a fully loaded magazine on the closed slide
  4. Manually operate the slide to load all the rounds in the magazine. You shouldn't have to slam the slide fore and aft. Just move it at a speed required to strip a round from the mag and chamber it.
Repeat the test with the other ammo type.

If the pistol passes the manual feeding test, it is likely the extractor is the gremlin. If it doesn't pass the test either the magazine or some facet of the pistol's geometry is the problem.

These two tests cost you nothing and only take a few minutes to perform.

As @gnappi suggests, check the breechface for roughness and burrs (especially around the firing pin hole).

Check the lower barrel lugs for evidence of barrel bump. Here's a picture of barrel bump:
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WHOA!! Thank you all for taking the time to give such detailed explanation. I really appreciate it!!!!
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