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I train to shoot both left and right-handed, so I won't even consider a pistol with a one-sided safety.
Started that way in the 70s, still do it. IN all honestly I used to shoot left hand as strong hand, but my master eye is right. MIke Harries got me to shoot right handed (strong) when actually my left hand is my strong hand.
 
So your saying a lefty would be better off "reach around to push it down or slide it against my leg " than to use an ambi?
Yep another "smidge cock" solution that's bound to get someone hurt.

I have been using ambis for well over 20 years and have never seen one come apart while in use. Personally I aint brushing it against my leg to deactivate the thumb safety when I can use a quality ambi that is designed to do the job.
Over 40 years here, I started with the Swensons (Wilson is a close copy of the Swenson) and if installed improperly, they can have problems, primarily the rifht side getting a bit loose.
 
Then your grip or your safety sucks. A low pro, weak side, ambi, will never be a problem. I spent a bunch of $ on guns without ambis and/or eliminating them. Then I shot with my weak hand in a class. “Brush it against you leg” is moronic.

This is the same as guys that won’t carry in condition 1. I was a bit hesitant about it at first too. Then I realized that my nightstand gun had been fine for almost a year in condition 1. Eventually got comfortable and wouldn’t have it any other way. Strong side thumb, on top of the TS, highest grip possible. No issues with a trimmed EGW.
I’ve definitely noticed some feel closer to doing it than others but I still just prefer not to have one. Good to know about the EGW.
 
While ambi safety love-hate opinions are not quite as interesting a pissing contest as say 9mm vs. 45acp or even my semi-custom is better than your semi-custom, I only have this to say........

John Moses Browning never intended for his design to be used by wrong handed people!!! 🤣 🤣 🤣

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John Moses Browning never intended for his design to be used by wrong handed people!!!
JMB's Model first semi-automatic prototype of 1900 had a unique ambidextrous safety that doubled as the rear sight. His Model of 1905 submitted for Army trials had no safeties at all. The model 1907 added an ambidextrous grip safety at Army insistence. The Model 1910 perfected the grip. Still no thumb safety.

John Moses Browning's original designs were all suitably ambidextrous. We have the military to thank for the poorly thought out sinistrophobic thumb safety.

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I have several 1911s. Only ambi is my duty gun. All i know is that its factory on my sig 1911 TACOPS. Other than that i have no clue whose design their ambi safety is.
I have shot right & left handed since my early military days going on about 30 years ago now. I actually like my sigs ambi safety.
I notice a lot of naysayers in the LE world dislike ambi safeties but then most weld their pistols in place with belt keepers, in level 2 & 3 holsters and couldnt manage to draw off handed if their lives depended on it so they arent really ambi-shooters anyway. Most ambi shooters know how to manipulate their holster to draw with off hand, so i suppose it really only matters if youre able to draw as well as shoot with either hand. Whether its ambi or not wont matter to some and by the time it might matter to others it wont matter long.
 
This is the same as guys that won’t carry in condition 1. I was a bit hesitant about it at first too. Then I realized that my nightstand gun had been fine for almost a year in condition 1. Eventually got comfortable and wouldn’t have it any other way. Strong side thumb, on top of the TS, highest grip possible. No issues with a trimmed EGW.
People say "glock has a safety" to which i ask if i do nothing but pull the trigger on a loaded gun and it fires, how is that a safety?
Ever heard of "1911 leg?" Nope me neither! How do they think carrying a 1911 that has an external safety is dangerous yet a gun with nothing and one in the pipe is safe?
We used the serpa holsters for a decade in AFSOC before glockophiles kept having negligent discharges to the point most shooting schools outright banned students from using serpa holsters. Is it possible the shitty beretta 92F external safety and 1911 external safety are not just decorations?
Condition 1 all day everyday for 1911's! I agree with you!
 
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I’ve definitely noticed some feel closer to doing
While ambi safety love-hate opinions are not quite as interesting a pissing contest as say 9mm vs. 45acp or even my semi-custom is better than your semi-custom, I only have this to say........

John Moses Browning never intended for his design to be used by wrong handed people!!! 🤣 🤣 🤣

James/SCO
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I’m a righty, but all of my 1911s have ambi safeties. If something happens to my right hand in a self defense situation, I want to be able to disengage my ambi safety easily with my left hand. I do understand that some people worry that it will come disengaged while carrying, especially in condition one, but then you still have your grip safety so you’re good. Plus, I think 1911s also look better with an ambi safety because now they’re more symmetrical and you don’t have that weird empty spot.
 
Simple answer here, they are there for a reason. Every serious shooter I know, knew or know of have an ambi on their 1911s. Competition it's mandatory because you will have to shoot strong and weak hand on occasion. They're not going to tolerate you fiddling around trying to engage the safety by doing some really stupid stuff.

In reality? Simply, every good shooter should develop a serious skill set, that includes shooting bother strong and weak hand, as well as two hands. If for any reason your strong hand/arm goes out on you, you do need to be able to use the pistol if need be. safest thing to have is an Ambi so you don't have to do stupid stuff to use it.

They have a reason for being, what you chose to do is up to you, however becoming a really good shot with a highly developed skill set is another issue.
 
Personally I like ambi on my 2011s and single sided safeties on my 1911s. My 1911s are range guns and like the aesthetics of the single sided. But my 2011s are my shooters and I shoot a lot of weak hand with them and like the ambi. If these were carry guns, my opinions may change.


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My natural strong side is my right hand and eye, however all my 1911s have an ambidextrous thumb safety - all of which are the King’s 201A (except for my newest build). I have been carrying a 1911 for nearly forty years, beginning in 1983 when the USMC issued me my first one. In 1985 I was issued one of the early MEU(SOC) 1911s, which had the King’s 201A. I competed in IPSC for a number of years, in which many stages required weak-hand shooting, necessitating an ambidextrous safety. Also as a LEO I carried a 1911 (when allowed by department regs), again with a King’s 201A. As others have stated, I didn’t want to have to do any “stupid stuff“ to disengage the thumb safety should my strong-hand become disabled, or unavailable. One of the keys to success, whether it be in competition or an armed conflict, is practice; lots and lots of practice. And after years of practice, and thousands upon thousands of repetitions you develop “muscle memory“, and it has become so thoroughly engrained as part of my practice the location, size and shape of the paddles on a King’s 201A that it is automatic for me to disengage the thumb safety with 100% repeatability, left or right handed.

Unfortunately King’s went out-of-business more than a decade ago, so new, original 201A safeties are no longer available. I was told by the gentleman that purchased King’s, in addition to the remaining inventory, he also became the holder of the patents, including the one for the 201A. Unfortunately the new owner did not have the capability to manufacture any of the patented parts that he was now in control of. I have been told that several companies approached the new owner with offers to purchase the patents, but that he wanted far more than anyone was interested in paying.

When it came time to replace the factory single-side safety on my new Ruger Talo Night Watchman (in 2020), I scoured the internet trying to find an ambidextrous safety that as closely as possible duplicated the 201A - if not in mechanical design - at least matching the levers location, size and shape. I found a couple, but both had reviews that mentioned breakage, either internally or the weak-side lever. I found another, but it used a tab to secure the weak-side lever under the grip (as most do). I am not one that usually purchases a firearm based on appearance, but that tab is just ugly. I found a guy in KC that machines a copy of the 201A from bar-stock, but at $170 and zero reviews of his part, I kept searching. Finally I found an ambidextrous safety from Novak that the levers appeared to be virtually identical to the 201A. The reviews were mostly positive, the only negative comments were about how the weak-side paddle was secured to the cross-pin. The complaints were universal not in the weak-side lever working its way loose, or breaking off, but that it was a PITA to secure the lever via the included 1/16” diameter roll-pin. Well I was not going to install it myself, so that aspect really didn’t bother me. The gunsmith that was going to install it - along with a host of other parts, as well as refinishing the pistol - balked at using the part, not only because of the difficulty in installing it, but he said that whenever the gun was completely stripped for a thorough cleaning, it would be impossible to reuse the pin, and finding a replacement would be nearly impossible. I called the good folks at Novak and they sent me a baggie with about two dozen replacement pins (for free I should mention), after which my gunsmith could not muster any other objections.

My EDC custom Ruger .45 ACP Lightweight Commander type pistol (complete with Novak ambi safety:

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Seems like a lot of people detest ambidextrous safeties, and manufacturers are offering fewer and fewer models that include them. But if you are left-handed, there aren’t a lot of alternatives other than compromised operation or emptying a bank account to buy a Cabot Southpaw.

Ed Brown’s machined ambi safeties work for me. Never had problems with them. But I know there are other mechanical approaches to making one
Seems like a lot of people detest ambidextrous safeties, and manufacturers are offering fewer and fewer models that include them. But if you are left-handed, there aren’t a lot of alternatives other than compromised operation or emptying a bank account to buy a Cabot Southpaw.

Ed Brown’s machined ambi safeties work for me. Never had problems with them. But I know there are other mechanical approaches to making one work that may have fewer weaknesses.

So, what is it about ambidextrous safeties you dislike, and if you had to have one, what would it be and why?
If a 1911 I purchase doesn’t have an ambidextrous safety I always send it to the manufacturer to have one installed by their gunsmiths. I have the original company Custom shop do it for liability reasons, so it can be considered an unaltered “stock” gun from the manufacturer. It is a no brainer to have an ambidextrous safety since you can still operate the gun and protect yourself if your strong hand or arm gets injured. Also with an ambidextrous you can always tell if the safety got disengaged by friction with the holster, you can correct that condition put it back on sage with the gun still in the holster. I can’t think of a reason why not to have an ambidextrous safety, unless you just want a historically accurate, safe queen to look at. I shoot all my 1911s and use all of them for self defense, so I want all the updated safety features.
 
If a 1911 I purchase doesn’t have an ambidextrous safety I always send it to the manufacturer to have one installed by their gunsmiths. I have the original company Custom shop do it for liability reasons, so it can be considered an unaltered “stock” gun from the manufacturer. It is a no brainer to have an ambidextrous safety since you can still operate the gun and protect yourself if your strong hand or arm gets injured. Also with an ambidextrous you can always tell if the safety got disengaged by friction with the holster, you can correct that condition put it back on sage with the gun still in the holster. I can’t think of a reason why not to have an ambidextrous safety, unless you just want a historically accurate, safe queen to look at. I shoot all my 1911s and use all of them for self defense, so I want all the updated safety features.
I am all for safety, but an ambi safety on a 1911 just does not appeal to me. I got a little spooked the first time I carried a 1911 with one because it swiped off in the first 15 minutes. I know there are several layers of safety in a 1911, but I did not like any of them being defeated without my knowledge. I also do not particularly like having to bother with one when I disassemble a pistol. I draw with my right hand and can disengage the safety before I swap hands if I need to shoot with my left hand. If my right hand is injured during a gun fight, that safety is probably going to be off from the very beginning of the fight and will remain so till it is over. If I do find myself with a pistol in my left hand with the safety engaged, it is quite simple for me to flick it off with my left thumb. Easy peasy. No problem.

I have had several pistols with ambi safeties. Not one of them still does. I am also not a real big fan of extended thumb safeties, and most of my pistols now wear Harrison retro thumb safeties.

We all have our own likes and dislikes when it comes to setting up a pistol. It is wonderful that we can have such a variety of choices to make us happy.
 
Not a fan of ambi safeties on a 1911. My daily carry is not a 1911. If I chose to daily carry my ACW, I’d add an ambi most likely.
My daily carry has an ambi de-cocker which I have no issues with.


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I understand the concern about accidentally disengaging the safety during carry. The risk can be mitigated by a holster that either positively blocks the left side safety or covers the right safety so it can’t be swiped accidentally.

The advantage of an ambi safety (even for righties) seem to out weigh the risks if managed properly.
I completely agree with you. A good belt and holster are every bit as important as the gun itself.


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