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Yea, but guys like him just don鈥檛 like evolution if it doesn鈥檛 involve them. He has no issues making statements like this when he was talking about his shooting.

鈥淎s I became a high-level competitor, I needed a better pistol,鈥 he said. 鈥淲hen guns from the top pistolsmiths of the day didn鈥檛 satisfy me, I used my jewelry and watchmaking skills to work on 1911s.

I don鈥檛 think there is anything wrong with buying a gun, expensive or not, but better for you. I think CZs suck, ergos, triggers, the overall feel.

He is a business man and has no issues with his words not lining up with each other as long as they line up with selling more guns.

Red dots will always be faster and more accurate for 90% out there, it鈥檚 the reason the military doesn鈥檛 use iron rights except as a back up on rifles. It鈥檚 the same with a pistol.

Obviously YMMV or whatever.
 

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Yea, but guys like him just don鈥檛 like evolution if it doesn鈥檛 involve them. He has no issues making statements like this when he was talking about his shooting.

鈥淎s I became a high-level competitor, I needed a better pistol,鈥 he said. 鈥淲hen guns from the top pistolsmiths of the day didn鈥檛 satisfy me, I used my jewelry and watchmaking skills to work on 1911s.

I don鈥檛 think there is anything wrong with buying a gun, expensive or not, but better for you. I think CZs suck, ergos, triggers, the overall feel.

He is a business man and has no issues with his words not lining up with each other as long as they line up with selling more guns.

Red dots will always be faster and more accurate for 90% out there, it鈥檚 the reason the military doesn鈥檛 use iron rights except as a back up on rifles. It鈥檚 the same with a pistol.

Obviously YMMV or whatever.
You're to young to understand where he's coming from. I could sit down and sasy the same thing we've seen for decades. A lot of folks don't really want to or have the motivation to put in the work to properly build a good skill set and/or improve on one. It's off to the gimmicks to try and find an advantage. I am not saying people shouldn't use optics if their eyes require it, it's just the folks that want to cut corners and I see it here too. Us old timers come from a different generation of shooters. THe gimicks available to us were very limited, so we worked harder.
 

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You're to young to understand where he's coming from. I could sit down and sasy the same thing we've seen for decades. A lot of folks don't really want to or have the motivation to put in the work to properly build a good skill set and/or improve on one. It's off to the gimmicks to try and find an advantage. I am not saying people shouldn't use optics if their eyes require it, it's just the folks that want to cut corners and I see it here too. Us old timers come from a different generation of shooters. THe gimicks available to us were very limited, so we worked harder.
Read his direct quote, if that isn鈥檛 WORK HARDER ON MY GUN, as opposed to work harder on my shooting I don鈥檛 know what is.

And to say I鈥檓 too young to understand is a crock, I鈥檝e put 100s of thousands of rounds down range, with both a pistol and a rifle to make myself a better shooter. Iron sights, optics, it didn鈥檛 matter, please find another excuse why being old is synonymous with harder work and not Inflexibility to the tide of change.

Even the fundamentals have changed over the years, stances, grips, sight picture, etc.

Age has nothing to do with it, it鈥檚 about flexibility, willingness to change and adapt.

鈥淔lexibility in our lives means having a fundamental ability to relate to any new environment and excel in it. Instead of fighting it, you greet it with open arms and observe it; instead of criticizing it, you caress it and understand it; instead of ignoring it, you make it yours and be one with it.鈥 -Sun Tzu

Think this guy would think you鈥檙e too young to understand? Or do you think he would figure out a way to incorporate the 鈥済immicks鈥 guys like Bill Wilson crap on but still sell?

I am guessing the latter鈥

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You're to young to understand where he's coming from. I could sit down and sasy the same thing we've seen for decades. A lot of folks don't really want to or have the motivation to put in the work to properly build a good skill set and/or improve on one. It's off to the gimmicks to try and find an advantage. I am not saying people shouldn't use optics if their eyes require it, it's just the folks that want to cut corners and I see it here too. Us old timers come from a different generation of shooters. THe gimicks available to us were very limited, so we worked harder.
If something is better or superior, so be it. If you want to suck, stick with old tactics or gear. If you want to get better, evolve with tactics or gear. For whatever reason the older crowd in shooting are turn their noses up to anything that isn鈥檛 Col. Cooper, .45acp, or NRA fudd tactics. Times have changed, 20 years of modern warfare have tested and forced the evolution of tactics and equipment.
 

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Age has nothing to do with it, it鈥檚 about flexibility, willingness to change and adapt.





Yes and no.... You wathced people "gaming it" in pistol competition back in the 70s ergo it's an old gripe. Is he being old and carnky? Yep so am I.



I have some idea of what you're doing, but hat excludes a LOT of people. They just won't do it.
 

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I like Bill. Shot a couple of times with him touring WC. Bill is a great shooter, and businessman. I am waiting for the Supergrade Glocks to be a thing.
 

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Nothing wrong with what Bill was saying. It is pretty common for folks to buy the latest and greatest in an attempt to "get better", thinking that this or that more expensive pistol/widget will make them better. A quicker and more accurate pistol may elevate your game. But to reach its full potential, it's "YOU" that must get better. And that's what Bill's trying to say.
 

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Well as far as losing shooting ability (rifles or handguns) when one gets older it is a fact. Sucks, but except for the vain among us who cannot accept facts it is reality. Yes, practice and changing equipment types may help some but why do you think the serious shooting sports are dominated by the 65 and under crowd for the most part and over 70 may see them out having fun. To seriously compete with young eyes, reflexes etc ... One is only fooling themselves.
 

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If there is one thing I have come to understand, gun folks love to argue. What is the better round, holster, carry method or position on the body, and of course what sights to use. Not surprisingly, people generally prefer what they are most comfortable with. I say take what you need and leave the rest.
 

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Yes and no.... You wathced people "gaming it" in pistol competition back in the 70s ergo it's an old gripe. Is he being old and carnky? Yep so am I.



I have some idea of what you're doing, but hat excludes a LOT of people. They just won't do it.
I don鈥檛 think you are being old and cranky brother, you are verbalizing a gripe that a lot of people who are north of 60 have with the massive change in shooting sports.

You mean it from a different angle than most, but it鈥檚 still a feeling that most have.

With that said, I鈥檒l take every and any advantage I can in anything I want to do well. That doesn鈥檛 stop me from putting in the work, but it also does make me, the me right now a potentially better shooter if I have better ammo, better optics, better 鈥渋nsert thing here鈥 when it comes to shooting.

I don鈥檛 stand my ground often when it comes to the internet but I do eventually get tired of people 鈥減utting鈥 us younger generations in our place, cause we don鈥檛 know any better and it was harder/better back yonder years.

People have to remember that Millennials are 44 years old right now, they fought the last two wars, they are the people who are on the cutting edge of shooting. You are seeing the Bill Wilson鈥檚 and the Robbie Latham鈥檚 being replaced by the JJ Racaz鈥檚 and the Nile Johanssons. Who are both Millennials I might add.

So, sorry for my rant but the generation bashing and old fudd guys rock, new Glock kids suck just gets damn old.

Plus I just had a daughter 6 days ago, and my patience is lower than normal, I haven鈥檛 been able to shoot for 5 days, and my reloading bench has been bare for a week.
 

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I don鈥檛 think you are being old and cranky brother, you are verbalizing a gripe that a lot of people who are north of 60 have with the massive change in shooting sports.

You mean it from a different angle than most, but it鈥檚 still a feeling that most have.

With that said, I鈥檒l take every and any advantage I can in anything I want to do well. That doesn鈥檛 stop me from putting in the work, but it also does make me, the me right now a potentially better shooter if I have better ammo, better optics, better 鈥渋nsert thing here鈥 when it comes to shooting.

I don鈥檛 stand my ground often when it comes to the internet but I do eventually get tired of people 鈥減utting鈥 us younger generations in our place, cause we don鈥檛 know any better and it was harder/better back yonder years.

People have to remember that Millennials are 44 years old right now, they fought the last two wars, they are the people who are on the cutting edge of shooting. You are seeing the Bill Wilson鈥檚 and the Robbie Latham鈥檚 being replaced by the JJ Racaz鈥檚 and the Nile Johanssons. Who are both Millennials I might add.

So, sorry for my rant but the generation bashing and old fudd guys rock, new Glock kids suck just gets damn old.

Plus I just had a daughter 6 days ago, and my patience is lower than normal, I haven鈥檛 been able to shoot for 5 days, and my reloading bench has been bare for a week.
Congratulations on the birth of your daughter sir!
 

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Congrats on the birth of you daughter.



Plus I just had a daughter 6 days ago, and my patience is lower than normal, I haven鈥檛 been able to shoot for 5 days, and my reloading bench has been bare for a week.
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I don鈥檛 think you are being old and cranky brother, you are verbalizing a gripe that a lot of people who are north of 60 have with the massive change in shooting sports.

You mean it from a different angle than most, but it鈥檚 still a feeling that most have.

With that said, I鈥檒l take every and any advantage I can in anything I want to do well. That doesn鈥檛 stop me from putting in the work, but it also does make me, the me right now a potentially better shooter if I have better ammo, better optics, better 鈥渋nsert thing here鈥 when it comes to shooting.

I don鈥檛 stand my ground often when it comes to the internet but I do eventually get tired of people 鈥減utting鈥 us younger generations in our place, cause we don鈥檛 know any better and it was harder/better back yonder years.

People have to remember that Millennials are 44 years old right now, they fought the last two wars, they are the people who are on the cutting edge of shooting. You are seeing the Bill Wilson鈥檚 and the Robbie Latham鈥檚 being replaced by the JJ Racaz鈥檚 and the Nile Johanssons. Who are both Millennials I might add.

So, sorry for my rant but the generation bashing and old fudd guys rock, new Glock kids suck just gets damn old.

Plus I just had a daughter 6 days ago, and my patience is lower than normal, I haven鈥檛 been able to shoot for 5 days, and my reloading bench has been bare for a week.
Congratulations on the daughter , as far as your patience goes save a bunch for when she鈥檚 a teenager. LOL
 
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