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Discussion in '1911 Gunsmithing' started by Archer, Aug 15, 2020.
Sorry for the loaded question but, what oil and or grease do you recommend on your guns?
I like gun fighter, but I use a blend of a couple different things in the shop.. I just think the FP-10 sucks as a cleaner, and the only reason that DW recommends it is because of how delicate the DT is on their DT guns.
I sincerely believe the issues here are caused by not following DW's break in procedures spelled out in their manual.
I know the question wasn’t for me, but the one I owned was a complete piece of crap with piss poor fitment. Rattled worse than the loose Colt and didn’t function. Mine was a sample of one however.
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I think that can be contributed to some of the problems. But, not the only one I don't think.. You are absolutely right though, I believe that many times if the gun was cleaned, inspected and heavily lubed to start, many of these could be avoided. I know of several people, including myself way back before I knew better who take a brand new gun out of the box put a couple drops of oil on the hood and start rocking and rolling.. Or in this case they start Rocking but, never get to the Roll lol
I agree with what you’re saying. What I am trying to convey is that DW, themselves, has had this issue for 10-12 years. Some seem to want to believe this is a new phenomenon. It’s not new to pistols, it’s not new to DW.
I ordered a $740k nose landing gear due to a galled axle.
We're on the same page - the galling issues really raised their head in the early 80's. Folks learn to grease their slides, things quiet down....then a new crop of shooters come in, "discover" SS - and it starts all over again.
As for the kind of lube....well, a group of us went together on an early Randall right after they came out. Stripped/cleaned then reassembled w/a good "quality" gun lube. Ran several thousand rounds, stripped/cleaned, then used a graphite grease...several thousand rounds, stripped/cleaned, the used THE cheapest standard bearing grease available at a local auto parts. Ran 2,000 rounds, wiped down, greased w/the same cheap grease and did another 2k rounds. Consensus? GREASE - pretty much ANY grease - problems disappeared. I lost track of that Randall about 10 years ago, but at that point it was still being shot w/o issues.
My SR1911, also a sample of 1, has been handled and shot by a couple of surprised RSO's that were surprised by fit and POA/POI and has over 1600 rds and the only issue was self-induced magazine failure (I was trying to make all of the magazines visually identical by changing all of the baseplates to match and the factory Ruger 8 rd magazine HATED that idea and locked the slide open; replacing the baseplate back to original fixed it). I will admit that the GS does not have a lot of spring tension and clicks slightly when shaken by the slide. I'm happy with mine.
My 1911A1NM had lugs done wrong. One broke and it was an afternoon of cussing to get it cleared after it locked up about a quarter of an inch back from lock up.
I was local to Randall. Part of their galling problem was metalergy, NOT lubrication. We had fet togethers with them as they developed their line. Sadly they didn't have the funds to last.
Ever stop to think that their shop is not fully staffed at the moment due to Covid? It's happening often enough to consider
Colts have their problems too. It's far from a "perfect" source of 1911s
Covid shouldn't make a bit of difference other than slowing down production. Quality should not be affected.
A lot of people are saying what they think the problem is with the guns that lock up, so I guess, since it was my gun and I had first hand knowledge and an up close perspective, I’ll throw in my 2 cents.
As for not following the break in procedure, that was not the issue. It was liberally lubed up. Yes it is dry looking in the picture, but you’ll either take my word, or not. The machining on the pistol is done to very tight tolerances, certainly compared to the Kimber and the Colt I owned previously. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that, but what isn’t done on the example I have is any sort of finishing on the rails. Well, I don’t know if they do any finishing, but the metal on the rails had barely any shiny spots until I started racking it by hand. I racked it quite a few times before firing, but no more than 40 times or so. I think the tight tolerances plus the still slightly rough rails causes galling (maybe easier with stainless).
In my opinion, the metallurgy isn’t the issue. Yes stainless may be more susceptible, but once it has been worked in and the surfaces are running smoother, no magic lube is required. That being said, I’ve got tw25b on it now.
Just to clarify, I still think the Dan Wesson Heritage (my sample of one) is a great 1911. It is really well made. Just needs some love on the rails.
So you're saying everyone is working with a full staff? Sorry that's not the case.
Quality shouldn’t be affected, but it always is.
When a business is short staffed, for any reason, others are left to pick up the slack. This always leads to increased wait times. This leads to technicians being rushed. That always leads to one of three things.
Decreased quality, increased time, or damaged goods......you can’t avoid all three.
Greetings. First off, thanks for sharing your knowledge on this board and on this subject. Is there a way you can quantify for those not-in-the-know (like me) how much softer DW's stainless is? I'm asking since I use my Specialist REALLY hard since it is both my IDPA and Steel Challenge pistol.
Should I expect it to wear out sooner than other manufacturers? I have 30,000+ rounds through my Specialist 9mm at this point. That was in less than a year. I change the recoil spring out every 5,000 rounds or so and I keep it well lubed.
Thanks in advance.
FWIW, that wasn't the case when my Heritage galled up.
I don't believe there's enough difference to cause any problems there most of your concern would be the barrel and the way The gun is built. I know people with that many rounds Through their Dan Wesson's without any issues. I am going to ask another submit today that has a hardness tester to indulge me once. At this point since I don't have a tester I'm just going from observation more than anything and trying to wrap my head around this Galling problem.