[Buccaneer12]

I'll put my $2,150 P226 XFive Legion up against a $4,300 Staccato XC any day of the week.
Go ahead and laugh it up, but the XFive Legion is just as much of a "cheat code" pistol as the XC.

Race you for charity. You name the drill. Your X5 Legion vs my P/Heritage.

$500 to the charity of your choice if you win.

 

[DevilDog61]

Well, your disdain for the 1911/2011 platform is pretty well known, so I don't think we can take that comparison objectively. It's a mystery to me why you choose this forum given your preferences, but to each their own.

I'm going to need some help understanding "better in every category". Better how? Better why? It's not a Master Shop gun, so It isnt in the materials. It isnt in the finish. It isnt in the assembly. It isnt in the fitting. if you mean shooting, measured how? best I can tell from your posts you dont shoot often or use a shot timer, so are we going by feel? Some accuracy standard? How did you measure the performance of each?

If you just like it better, then great. Im glad youre happy with it and I hope these US X5's turn out to be as good as their german counter parts, because those are phenomenal.

But until I see a coin and an assessment of the fit and finish (especially firing pins, locking lugs, frames, and slide to frame fit) after 15-20k rounds, you can keep it, because I dont think Sig has changed one bit for the better over the last decade. And I hope to be proven wrong, because Id love for Sig to be back to making good *, not just a bunch of *.

Nothing I say will change your mind. The only way you will really know is to shoot one.

 

[TangoHotel]

Race you for charity. You name the drill. Your X5 Legion vs my P/Heritage.

$500 to the charity of your choice if you win.

You are the definition of put up or shut up, and I love it.

 

[Old#7]

I'll put my $2,150 P226 XFive Legion up against a $4,300 Staccato XC any day of the week.
Go ahead and laugh it up, but the XFive Legion is just as much of a "cheat code" pistol as the XC.

 

[Buccaneer12]

Nothing I say will change your mind. The only way you will really know is to shoot one.

and if I get the chance, I definitely will. But my primary concern isnt that it will shoot well, it's that it will hold up over time.

Ive seen too many failures across too many sigs to trust the brand until that gets turned around. We need to see some Sigs with high round counts that arent breaking locking lugs/blocks, losing slide to frame fit so badly the rear of the slide lifts when the FPSB gets depressed by the trigger mechanism, etc.

 

[DevilDog61]

Race you for charity. You name the drill. Your X5 Legion vs my P/Heritage.

$500 to the charity of your choice if you win.

No thanks, I know that you are a way better shooter than I will ever be, but I'm certain
my P226 XFive Legion is as accurate as a Staccato.

 

[DevilDog61]

and if I get the chance, I definitely will. But my primary concern isnt that it will shot well, it's that it will hold up over time.

Time will tell.

 

[Shark1007]

I’ll be the bank/escrow

 

[oldnrusty38]

I'll put my $2,150 P226 XFive Legion up against a $4,300 Staccato XC any day of the week.
Go ahead and laugh it up, but the XFive Legion is just as much of a "cheat code" pistol as the XC.

I’m sure it’s a nice gun and it runs but objectively there is nothing it holds over Staccato except the price point.

And if we’re talking price point I’d be happy to take the Pepsi challenge with my half-priced afterburner G45.

 

[Buccaneer12]

Time will tell.

And I hope to lose the longevity bet. Id love to see a high mileage 226 X5 or otherwise from the US show up that's still running strong after 15-20k.

 

[catatonic]

I’ll be the bank/escrow

Dibs on being the hype man.

 

[TangoHotel]

I’ll be the bank/escrow

I’ll be the charity

 

[TangoHotel]

and if I get the chance, I definitely will. But my primary concern isnt that it will shoot well, it's that it will hold up over time.

Ive seen too many failures across too many sigs to trust the brand until that gets turned around. We need to see some Sigs with high round counts that arent breaking locking lugs/blocks, losing slide to frame fit so badly the rear of the slide lifts when the FPSB gets depressed by the trigger mechanism, etc.

FWIW, my first daily driver was a P229 legion. Still going strong after probably somewhere around 3-4k rounds, although the finish is wearing terribly. My dad’s carry gun is a P225a1. Don’t know how many rounds are down the pipe but he shoots it pretty regularly and at last so far hasn’t run into any issues. I’ve also got 2 365-family guns and plan on running them both hard.

 

[Buccaneer12]

FWIW, my first daily driver was a P229 legion. Still going strong after probably somewhere around 3-4k rounds, although the finish is wearing terribly. My dad’s carry gun is a P225a1. Don’t know how many rounds are down the pipe but he shoots it pretty regularly and at last so far hasn’t run into any issues. I’ve also got 2 365-family guns and plan on running them both hard.

first gun i was issued was a sp2340 in .40. I put somewhere around 40-50k on that thing, and it ran awesome. Ive had german 228's issued and german frame 226's issued that were all great pistols. The 229's and 226's out of exeter were horrendous.

opinions vary. Just my $.02.

 

[TangoHotel]

first gun i was issued was a sp2340 in .40. I put somewhere around 40-50k on that thing, and it ran awesome. Ive had german 228's issued and german frame 226's issued that were all great pistols. The 229's and 226's out of exeter were horrendous.

opinions vary. Just my $.02.

I’ll keep you posted. I’ve got no skin in the game and I’m not out to defend Sig’s honor. If one of them s***s the bed one day I won’t cover it up or go easy on it.

 

[whan]

I owned and competed with a P320 for a bit under a year, but ultimately ended up selling it. While I personally didn’t have any problems with it, I ended up being too sketched out by all of the various issues reported with the platform. Between the earlier examples not being drop safe, higher than typical reports of accidental discharges (in contrast no one has reported a problem with the p365 for example), and also out of battery detonations, couldn’t really trust it. A shame because the P320 did shoot pretty well for a striker gun, and the FCU design did allow for a lot of customization options.

I do think Sig has a very creative design team, and does put out a lot of stuff/concepts that are very interesting like the P365’s 1.5-stack mag, serialized fcu, slide-comp design, tungsten-infused polymer, which have been hits and do work. Other stuff like the MPX was great in concept, but ironing out issues has been the problem for Sig. The MPX would’ve become a dominant platform in USPSA PCC division, but the early models were disasters in terms of reliability if not kept extremely clean, and even apparently the gen 3s can sometime have issues. Instead, JP enterprises, 7 years later created a roller delayed AR9 (the JP5) that actually works really well, and now is the gold standard for a 9mm PCC, despite the MPX having been out for 9 years and apparently shooting just as soft (when it works)

FWIW I do carry a P365 as it seems that’s really the main gun that Sig actually seems to have fully ironed out (although some early guns had some issues with striker drag too)

 

[Dub]

I hear you. I also have a P229 Legion SAO that I will take over any Staccato P.
It's an accurate little gem.

I've had the exact opposite findings.


My P226 Legion SAO is a nice shooter........but is more loose than the neighborhood day drinking 59 year old cougar slut who with throw every time she sees you out "walking the dog". Sends ya away with a drained sack and a bummed cigarette.

Nothing wrong with loose as a goose reliability that gets a bang.

Job gets done.


Picking up the Staccato next, however, and the feel is there.....the feel that lets you know she's a tight gamer that will tell all her friends if you don't bring your A-game. If you show up with the skills, she can take it to the next level.

Maybe you haven't brought your A-game when you've had a 1911 / 2011 in hand.

Intimidation ?

Stage fright ?

No finesse ?

It's okay.

Nothing wrong with grinding it out on a striker or whatever....get those mag dumps and move on.

Some shooters just don't care to develop the feel and the touch that unlocks the potential given by JMB's excellence. Nothing to be ashamed of........but, admit the shortcoming is yours, not the hardware.

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Yep.

Zero.

 

[catatonic]

No thanks, I know that you are a way better shooter than I will ever be, but I'm certain
my P226 XFive Legion is as accurate as a Staccato.

Comparing “accuracy” in handguns that cost over $1k is laughable considering a Glock that requires zero fitment has more accuracy potential than a vast majority of shooters can squeeze out of it. Preferences are one thing, but I have a feeling with the track record for SIGs QC you don’t want your main point to be mechanical accuracy either.

@whan how many SAO 226s do you see in LO? I’m gonna bet not too many.

I don’t shoot LO but those that do don’t tend to run SAO 226s (I don’t think I’ve seen one)… that division is pretty 2011 heavy. For reference, the serious competition dudes will drop $6k without even blinking if it’ll give them a competitive edge.

I tend to take a peek at feedback from the competition scene a lot when it comes to handguns because those dudes at the top level will run through way more trigger time and ammo on a handgun than any of your professional trigger pullers that will only have a handgun as a secondary.

 

[Buccaneer12]

Yep.

Zero.


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nay, sir.

what is this entire field of fukks I see being given?

😜

 

[oldnrusty38]

My P226 Legion SAO is a nice shooter........but is more loose than the neighborhood day drinking 59 year old cougar slut who with throw every time she sees you out "walking the dog". Sends ya away with a drained sack and a bummed cigarette.

This sounds far too descriptive to be anything but personal.