'Smith for rolling trigger??

Discussion in '1911 Gunsmithing' started by samuse, Mar 10, 2019.

  1. samuse

    samuse Well-Known Member

    Jul 29, 2013
    I really don't shoot the crisp triggers in my Wilsons well and would like to get a good 3.5-4lb rolling break trigger job done.

    I need to call a plumber because I'm not a DIYer on stuff like that.
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  2. 41 Charlie

    41 Charlie Get off my lawn...

    Feb 4, 2014
    Historically, 1911s (single action pistols) have always had the superior trigger. Some manufactures trigger pull are better than others. Wilson Combat has one of the best triggers in the business. I kind of fall into the same camp as you. For whatever reason, I seem to be more accurate with certain double action revolvers, than my 1911s. It sounds crazy, as I try to shoot my revolvers DA only.

    Actually I’m a pretty crappy shot, so the differences is not that noticeable. But I can tell. I would seek out one of our very qualified Smiths on this forum (we do have some great ones) and discuss what you are trying to achieve. You might even reach out to Wilson Combat. They have stellar customer support. If you’re seeking a specific trigger pull, perhaps they can assist. Best of luck!
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  3. SparkyAZ

    SparkyAZ It is a dry heat, right... Supporting Addict

    Sep 11, 2012
    Mr Chambers has spoken on this subject from time to time...
    @Joe C
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  4. Ohio

    Ohio I like this place !

    Mar 22, 2018
    I recently purchased a Wilson Combat Beretta Centurion with the action works......the SA trigger is amazing, unfortunately I’m fighting with the DA trigger (it’s me, not the pistol). I can only describe the SA trigger as a “rolling” trigger and it has spoiled me for triggers that break. I shoot the Centurion better then any pistol I’ve owned, and I’ve owned a few Wilson Combat 1911’s and some nice Sigs. The only other pistol I own that comes close to the Centurion is a CZ Shadow Line compact, nice action but not up to the Centurion.

    I would convert all my pistols to a rolling trigger if that were possible.
  5. samuse

    samuse Well-Known Member

    Jul 29, 2013
    Wilson won't do a rolling trigger. On purpose anyway...
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  6. Oldgunner

    Oldgunner Well-Known Member

    Mar 30, 2018
    You could try Sams Custom Gunworks, LLC in northern Virginia.
  7. azpoolguy

    azpoolguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 4, 2013
    Option 1- Buy a True Radius sear jig and a spare sear and hammer then play around a bit.

    One man’s short roll trigger is another man’s mushy trigger.

    Option 2- @Joe C might be the best for roll triggers. I don’t know many other smiths that have talked about roll. Most people talk about a glass rod or snapping carrot break but from the smiths and gun trainers I’ve talked to a lot of shooters would benifit from a small amount of roll.
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  8. wrmiller

    wrmiller The Tinker

    Oct 29, 2016
    Or just buy a Glock (or other striker type) and enjoy the mush. ;)

    (I'll show myself out...)
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  9. rmac

    rmac Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Jan 26, 2016
    Any Bullseye Smith should be able to fix you up.
    You need to try several first and decide which suits your style of shooting. Roll triggers are usually referred to as 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or full roll.
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  10. tac45

    tac45 What me worry ? Supporting Addict

    Mar 4, 2012
    KCs Kustom Kreations
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  11. Boatbum101

    Boatbum101 Member

    Mar 9, 2019
    Any 'smith that builds Bullseye guns can do a roll trigger . All my 1911 wadcutter & Hardball guns have them . It's easier to keep sights aligned with constant trigger movement . True Radius sear & longer hammer hooks . A good one you can feel the sear roll out from under the hooks , but it has to be smooth , not creepy . I'd stick with a short roll to start with as for most a long roll is hard to master . Bullseye is shot one-handed so trigger control & smoothness is paramount . Barrel fit / lockup is also important especially for 50yd accuracy . Some of the better BE 'smiths include Roddy Toyota , John Eullette , Alex Hamilton , Buddy Chapman , Travis Strahan , KC Crawford , David Sams , Greg Derr .
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  12. Jollyroger1

    Jollyroger1 Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2015
    Wish I knew what a rolling trigger was...

    I just shoot the damn things.
  13. rmac

    rmac Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Jan 26, 2016
    I use K.C.'s 1/4 roll with the Battle Ax hammer.
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  14. jglenn

    jglenn Member

    Jul 8, 2016
    unfortunately Travis has left us this past year.
  15. JNW

    JNW Well-Known Member

    Apr 19, 2017
    I have 2 1911s with short roll triggers by John Vincent at Hallston Custom Machine in Pennsylvania. He is a High Master bullseye shooter and knows his way around a 1911. My custom built frame for my .22 Nelson conversion has a trigger pull that can bring tears of joy to your eyes. I am now spoiled and dislike all my other triggers.
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  16. Steve B

    Steve B Well-Known Member

    Nov 29, 2011
    My competition and carry 1911s all have roll triggers. I've used several other smiths but Joe C does all my 1911 work and does THE FINEST roll trigger you'll ever feel.
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  17. samuse

    samuse Well-Known Member

    Jul 29, 2013
    Does a roll trigger tend to last as long as a crisp trigger, or does it need freshening up every now and then?
  18. limbkiller

    limbkiller Pulling my hair. Supporting Addict

    Aug 18, 2011
    Someone describe a "roll trigger" for me please.
  19. puddi_nugget

    puddi_nugget Well-Known Member

    Feb 5, 2014
    Laymen terms: It’s not a glass rod break. The break is a “surprise” as you push on the trigger, as there’s little or no “wall”.

    It’s not a mushy trigger, but it allows you to roll through the press so you don’t have time to pause or think about the wall or prepping the trigger. It’s actually amazing.

    You don’t put a single stage AR trigger when you’re going for groups at 600yds.
  20. puddi_nugget

    puddi_nugget Well-Known Member

    Feb 5, 2014
    Should be fine for a long long time.

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