Soft shooting .45 1911 ?

Discussion in 'General 1911 talk' started by MFM22, Sep 17, 2020.

  1. MFM22

    MFM22 Member

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    Sep 15, 2020
    what if any 1911's if any , would have less recoil . Saw something that seemed to say that commander size may have less perceived recoil - this was due to the shorter slide cycle and less muzzle flip. This goes against what I had thought.
    -Thinking a full size would feel softer

    Any company that has a "formula " figured out for weight ratio to springs. Etc ?
     
  2. El Perdido

    El Perdido Fictional Western Sage

    Oct 3, 2011
    Government length (5" barrel), steel frame, small radius firing pin stop, 16lb recoil spring, 23lb mainspring. Enjoy...
     

  3. Kevin Rohrer

    Kevin Rohrer Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

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    Jul 6, 2014
    The heavier the gun, the less felt recoil.

    And getting used to recoil is nothing more than a training issue. Hold the gun properly and shoot it properly.
     
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  4. MFM22

    MFM22 Member

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    Sep 15, 2020
    What can be done to "soften " a commander size (4.25 barrel)

    What is the relationship between main spring & recoil ?
    Thanks
     
  5. El Perdido

    El Perdido Fictional Western Sage

    Oct 3, 2011
    Small radius firing pin stop, 18lb recoil spring, 23lb mainspring, 185gr semi wadcutter at 750fps
     
  6. Jim 1855

    Jim 1855 Active Member

    45
    Mar 1, 2020
    I run light loads, works, I can keep shooting otherwise I couldn't.

    But you have to reload and be willing to test a variety of load/recoil spring combinations.

    Otherwise lighter bullets and heavier guns help. Aluminum framed guns are not your friend or at least not mine.

    Jim
     
  7. simonp

    simonp Well-Known Member

    May 27, 2016
    I have to say the STI in 45 I shot had the softest recoil I’d felt shooting 230 grain ball out of a factory gun.


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  8. ~JM~

    ~JM~ Wrinkled Member

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    Jan 23, 2017
    Try a Star PD. :D
     
  9. walleyemonster

    walleyemonster Well-Known Member

    549
    Jan 11, 2017
    My favorite setup for .45 is a 18 lb recoil spring, 23 lb main, and a square firing pin stop in a full size TRP. Gun shoots flat and makes second shots quicker. With arthritis I limit my shooting .45 to 50 rounds a session. For extended shooting I switch to a full size RO 9mm. The sweetest shooting tool going.
     
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  10. puddi_nugget

    puddi_nugget Well-Known Member

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    Feb 5, 2014
    You want a compensated 1911 like the Nighthawk Firehawk or use lighter bullets with less powder in an all steel government model, with as much weight you can throw on it. The 1911 shoots a smidge softer with a properly felt barrel as well.

    I heard the Colt M45A1 dual recoil spring also softens up recoil a little but I have never shot one.
     
  11. blamo

    blamo Well-Known Member

    492
    Jun 16, 2018
    Was just about to chime in to say my custom shop M45A1 is pretty dang soft shooting relative to other 45s I shoot.
     
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  12. FWoo45

    FWoo45 Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2017
    Comp on a .45? Like a wing on a civic.
     
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  13. Jameeson

    Jameeson Well-Known Member

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    Jul 26, 2015
    If you want soft, I would consider a bull barrel, railed 1911. I notice they shoot softer / adsorb recoil more.
    If you then add a 10 rd mag and a tac-light, it is very soft...and fast shooting! It's good weight for recoil, but unfortunately will make the gun heavy.

    This was my old gun I put on trade that I fired a box of ammo through. If you have the coin, was a wonderful shooter and very soft compared to a mil spec style 1911. Ended up selling because we have 2 CQB Tac LE's in the family already. This one was the safe queen. They are wonderful guns, many LEO's use these specific models.

    https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/used-wilson-combat-cqb-tactical-le.111409/
     
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  14. 2tone

    2tone Well-Known Member

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    Dec 7, 2018
    My old man has a Star that I'm fairly certain is officer sized, and I'm 100% convinced that handgun is solely responsible for the arthritis in his wrist. Last time we took it to the range, my palm near the mainspring went completely numb.

    In response to the OP: I own a Colt Combat Commander (all steel) and a DW Valkyrie CCO (aluminum frame) in .45. You'd think the all steel gun would soften the recoil better, but it actually pushes significantly more than the DW. The Valkyrie is as soft as some of my 9s.

    The softest 9mms I've ever shot have been STI's with recoil masters in them. Those guns stay completely flat, and the front sight stays on the target throughout the entire recoil cycle.

    In my experience, rather than focusing on weight, material, or size... it all comes down to how well tuned the gun is.

    So this.
     
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  15. AGENT P

    AGENT P 1911 'TIL DEATH DO US PART

    Jun 24, 2019
    Monolith anyone?
     
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  16. Tom RKBA

    Tom RKBA Member

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    Dec 29, 2019
    Nighthawk Firehawk or Predator
     
  17. Wildcat Creeker

    Wildcat Creeker Well-Known Member

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    Jan 26, 2012
    I can tell you that a lightweight Commander with 230 Gr +P ammo does NOT fit in the soft shooting category.
     
  18. Havoc35

    Havoc35 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 14, 2020
    To answer this question, the mainspring acts in conjunction with the recoil spring as it puts tension on the hammer which in turn creates additional resistance for the slide after a shot is fired.

    If you interested in learning the mechanical nature of the 1911 design, this is the bible

    https://www.amazon.com/45-Automatic...d=1600428935&sprefix=jerry+kun,aps,163&sr=8-1
     
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  19. Genes 1911

    Genes 1911 Well-Known Member

    406
    Nov 10, 2019
    I have a NH Fire Hawk in 9mm.....very light recoil.Double tapping plates with tight groups is a joy.
     

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