Soft shooting .45 1911 ?

Discussion in 'General 1911 talk' started by MFM22, Sep 17, 2020.

  1. jaydoc

    jaydoc i'm riding a turtle!

    Aug 10, 2012
    Totally agree with this. I don’t know if the recoil is actually less but it is less snappy. Similar to how a .45 ACP is less snappy than a .40
     
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  2. puddi_nugget

    puddi_nugget Well-Known Member

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    Feb 5, 2014
    Does the guide rod accept regular recoil springs in the M45A1? I would guess no - but might be something to try to compare how the dual recoil spring actually works.

    If I could find the stinkin' things somewhere, I would totally buy the dual recoil spring to try it :D.
     

  3. jaydoc

    jaydoc i'm riding a turtle!

    Aug 10, 2012
    ^^^^^
    Don’t know. Haven’t tried it.
     
  4. MFM22

    MFM22 Active Member

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    Sep 15, 2020
    appreciate all the responses , got a bit of an education !
    I've been buying some 9mm and wanted to keep .45 in the mix . I have 2 kimber full size .45
    but would consider adding 1 more of a better quality - that Wilson is tempting
     
  5. soverystout

    soverystout Well-Known Member

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    Dec 26, 2019
    That is due to the recoil master guide rod setup that STI used. It is a great setup. My full length railed 5.0 tactical SS in 9mm has the lightest recoil of any pistol I have ever shot. I don't shoot or own anything in 22LR but the STI is so light and easy it feels like 22LR even with +P SD rounds.
     
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  6. NIU2009

    NIU2009 Active Member

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    Nov 6, 2018
    If Staccato would put their new recoil setup in a single stack .45, then paired with the red spring, I would say that would be the ticket. I can't believe how little felt recoil there is with my Staccato P.

    Also, to those that have said "heavier gun = less recoil", I don't believe that's accurate. Heavier gun can also = more mass traveling with the recoil which can mean more felt recoil depending on the gun design (especially in the slide). Newton's Third Law - action/reaction. It'll just be a different feeling recoil, but not less. The springs have far more to do with it than the weight of the gun.
     
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  7. SCS1911

    SCS1911 Failed all therapy

    Oct 5, 2012
    This one is very soft shooting, but it is a Chambers long slide so.........


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  8. SteveCNJ

    SteveCNJ Member

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    Oct 17, 2019
    About 6 or 7 years ago I was at the range and I guy I knew through a buddy was shooting a Kimber .45. He let me shoot it and I couldn't believe how little recoil there was. Less than my DW CCO .45 or Guardian 9mm. I just don't remember the model.

    Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
     
  9. soverystout

    soverystout Well-Known Member

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    Dec 26, 2019
    All STI single stacks in 10MM from before the Staccato days (heavy 10/Nitro 10/Tactical SS 10MM) had 25lb springs in the recoil master setup. Certainly helped with recoil but wrestling those recoil masters back in the gun without a dawson tool less guide rod is a bear.
     
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  10. Au Jus in Bello

    Au Jus in Bello Well-Known Member

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    May 19, 2017
    Here is a podcast featuring -- among other gun world notables -- our very own Joe Chambers. It's one of the best extended discussions of the 1911 (and more) you're likely to find and a heckuva an education...not to mention very entertaining.

    There's an extended bit on what makes a soft shooting 1911. Among the many legit factors mentioned in this thread, the most important, really, is how properly and perfectly the 1911 in question has been built vis-a-viss the mating and interacting of moving parts under ignition, and the proper springing of the pistol to a given load.

    Really worth the listen, despite the length...

     
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  11. mbacker_99

    mbacker_99 Well-Known Member

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    Jul 3, 2017
    Quality barrel fit = soft shooting
     
  12. Mifune326

    Mifune326 Member

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    Feb 15, 2020
    I was asking the same thing a few weeks back regarding muzzle flip. My man @Infidel4life11 turned me on to the below video and it has done wonders for my recoil control and muzzle flip issues. He recommended I work on my technique for shooting the pistol first before I tinkered with anything mechanically and he was correct:

     
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  13. mauserfan

    mauserfan Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2018
    M45A1. Colt's best engineers+CQC's demanding requirements=softest 45Acp out there. Just analyze how they're designed and it will become apparent.
    Darrel
     
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  14. mbacker_99

    mbacker_99 Well-Known Member

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    Jul 3, 2017

    At 2:25:00 you have the answer
     
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  15. mauserfan

    mauserfan Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2018
    I agree with this and also need to add. It is the vibration that is magnified throughout the gun that is an important multiple in the recoil equation. Mitigate vibration and recoil will be less felt. I have worked on many Competition Semi Auto Shotguns and one of the tricks is to use a quality grease on bearing action parts to lube and reduce vibration and on the outside radius of the barrel tang to mitigate vibrations into the receiver. This is also why I only use grease on the bearing parts of semi auto handguns. To be specific-I use Lubriplate Wheel Bearing Grease.
    Just my humble .02......Darrel Wick
     
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  16. Kevin Rohrer

    Kevin Rohrer Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

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    Jul 6, 2014
    I have Lubriplate that is used on my M1A. However Lubriplate is really thick and gets gummy. Are you recommending it be used on pistols?
     
  17. NIU2009

    NIU2009 Active Member

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    Nov 6, 2018
    I’d have no reservations using it on the rails and maybe the barrel, but I’d probably use something more viscous on, say, the disconnector.

    Definitely do not apply nearly as much as the M1s like.
     
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  18. Dreadnought

    Dreadnought Well-Known Member

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    May 5, 2020
    My full sized Colt Combat Elite with its dual-recoil spring seems very shooting compared to other 1911s I have fired.
     
  19. Glock2740

    Glock2740 1911 addict Staff Member Moderator

    Aug 16, 2011
    Flanged barreled 1911’s shoot soft.
    Plus they look cool as hell IMO.
     
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  20. Au Jus in Bello

    Au Jus in Bello Well-Known Member

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    May 19, 2017
    Yes, the start of it. Just past about 2:40:00 they talk springing, and Joe discusses the mainspring's role recoil control.
     

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