Soft shooting...low recoil 45ACP reloads

Discussion in 'Caliber Talk: Ammunition, Reloading, and Shooting ' started by Jim Lyles, Jul 12, 2020.

  1. Jim Lyles

    Jim Lyles Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    As I get older, shooting 45ACP just is harder on the hands and joints. So I was wondering if there were others out there that had experimented with soft shooting, low recoil loads for a 200gr lswc. I have always loaded to major power factor but was wondering how low of a PF is safe in a government 1911. Obviously the recoil spring would have to be changed but any advise would be appreciated.
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2020
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  2. DPVY

    DPVY Well-Known Member

    Dec 1, 2017
    Holler at Alex and ask him what Jess does with that 185gr load. It makes major PF, and is ridiculously soft.

    Hey Jim! Hope you are doing well!
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  3. Jim Lyles

    Jim Lyles Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    Doing well but hot. But not humid like your dealing with...Thanks for the info. Hope your doing well!
  4. cundiff5535

    cundiff5535 Chambers Custom Owners Club

    Apr 1, 2013
    I love 4.0 of win super target. Old up
    To 4.5 and see what your gun likes and how well your shoot it!
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  5. TheCollector

    TheCollector Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    200gr LSWC with 4.7 gr. HP-38
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  6. Jim Lyles

    Jim Lyles Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
    Thank you sir...and your Chambers Commander is a beautiful pistol. This load would probably be really soft even in a commander size.
  7. Whiten

    Whiten Well-Known Member

    Jun 9, 2017
    I load 5.0 Win 231/HP-38 for my target plinking load with 200g swc
  8. Speedy396

    Speedy396 Active Member Supporting Addict

    Jun 5, 2015
    4.0g of Bullseye with 185/200g swc is very soft shooting and functions surprisingly well in most of my 1911s.
  9. gps man

    gps man Well-Known Member

    Nov 7, 2015
    4 grains of Bullseye or Clays with a 200 grain SWC is a soft shooting accurate load.

    I haven’t had to change springs on any of mine to run it.

    Shot a few 185 1200 FPS Underwood.45 acp this afternoon and remembered why I don’t shoot them very much!
  10. jjfitch

    jjfitch Well-Known Member

    Mar 26, 2012
    Typical target loads for the 200 LSWC are in the 725-775 fps range. Your barrel will determine what it likes. For plinking/range use look at the bottom end. Any powders in the W231 range should work like B/E, WST, Tight Group to name a few.

    Try your current spring and watch the ejection pattern before making changes.

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  11. Heavyopp

    Heavyopp Well-Known Member

    Apr 25, 2013
    4.3 grns promo behind an Ibeji coated LSWC — makes major and is soft shooting and cheap

    Functions in all my guns, if I want the slide to lock back 100% of the time then springs need to be changed — If you don’t care about a locking slide on empty then no need to change springs
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  12. Joni Lynn

    Joni Lynn Professional Pest, NRA Patron member

    Dec 21, 2014
    I use the 5.0 of HP38/231 with a 200 LSWC and use the spring that came in my guns work just fine. I've never had a need to install reduced rate springs.
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  13. Uncle Bob

    Uncle Bob Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2017
    Yes I have. BUT.. I did not shoot competition with the load and frankly after a lot of shooting of lower power loads, I'm still more accurate with major loads.

    If I don't want to get pounded (yes I have the same problems), I bring out my 9mm 1911 and work with that, in fact I bought it to see if I like it (inexpensively went with a RO CHampion LWC) and I simply love it. Tuesday I'll have my 45acps out again. Frankly all the old HOT major loads I used to shoot left me with arthritis on top of getting a shoulder broken later on...

    BUT before I digress to far happy to help. I have an 18lb recoil spring in 1911A1 I was using at the time, I never changed recoil springs, but that might not work for you.
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  14. Uncle Bob

    Uncle Bob Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2017
    I've gone 4.7 (231) and it also works. I never bothered with Bullseye for a lighter load.
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  15. Olympus

    Olympus Grip Maker and FFL Dealer

    Oct 7, 2011
    Search “45 ACP Geezer load”.
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  16. Amp Mangum

    Amp Mangum Well-Known Member

    Apr 1, 2018
    4.7grs of Winchester WST under a 230gr FMJ is very soft shooting and works great in multiple 1911s with 16lb and 18lb recoil springs.
  17. Jim Lyles

    Jim Lyles Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2018
  18. FatMikey

    FatMikey Member

    Apr 29, 2020
    For light target shooting with 200 gn bullet I use 4.4 gn of N310 or 5.2 gn of TiteGroup. Works well for me in both 1911s and Glocks
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  19. johnmyster

    johnmyster Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Feb 4, 2020
    My light 200 gr SWC load is 740 FPS with 3.8 bullseye or 4.0 Winchester WST. The WST is the cleaner of the two. 4.3 WST gets me to 830 fps, just on the edge of major.

    Guns were plenty happy on the 740 fps load with a 14# recoil spring, but with a reduced (19# I think) mainspring. Probably would've been fine with a 21# MS.
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  20. Sniper 217

    Sniper 217 Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2014
    WST powder is really good for soft shooting 230’s.

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