South ah da Border 1911s ... collectibility?

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  1. Frank Black

    Frank Black Well-Known Member

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    Apr 13, 2020
    I have a pretty well-worn 1932 'Argy' Colt Commercial that went south to Buenos Aires in the second shipment of guns to the Capital Police.

    'Policia de la Capital'
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    It has the B.A. police property number stamped on the hood of the barrel and on the slide just forward of the hood. The serial number dates my gun to very late 1932 production.

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    I've been curious as to where these guns stand from a collectors viewpoint.

    As it came to me some years ago out of an estate sale, the gun had all its original parts except for two: the grips and the beat-up non-Colt magazine, which proved to be hit-n-miss at the range.

    With a Colt 7-rd factory mag, or any of my Wilson or CMC 7- or 8-rd mags, the Argy Commercial ran perfectly. Surprisingly it was also reasonably accurate with ball ammo even though the bore has small spots of pitting here and there. It took me a few mags to get used to the small-ish Old School iron sights.

    These days it serves as a reload tester and general range plinker. All I shoot through it now are 230gn coated hard-cast reloads over Unique (loaded to slightly less than the standard 'Mil ball' load).

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    What's the current collector market for these Colts? I've seen references to the 'Hartford contract' Argentine Colts, but there doesn't appear to be much else out there on these guns.

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Colorado Sonny

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  3. jcc7x7

    jcc7x7 Well-Known Member

    Nov 2, 2019
    No idea on value. Love the story and the pic's! Thanks for sharing it with us!
     
  4. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    Nice piece. That would fit well into my harem . . . . . . . .
     
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  5. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    @Frank Black ,

    That gun would appeal to those who collect South American military memorabilia. Anyone who lusts after Ballester Molina's, Sistema's, even the lofty Hartford Argentinean's.

    Here are a couple photos of my "harem" starting with the pinnacle, the Colt Hartford Argentinean.

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  6. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    While not a spectacular example, here are photos of my DGFM-FMAP Argentinean produced Sistema.

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  7. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    I think these old Argentineans appeal to those who would love to collect US military firearms, but just cain't afford them.

    There are a wide variety of variations available. This one was made for the Argentinean Coast Guard. I would love to find a suitable version made for the Argentinean Air Force.

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  8. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    I like them enough that when I found a complete Hartford Colt Argentinean slide a few years back, I used it as the basis of my ZOIDS1911 build.

    This slide and its original barrel were serial numbered 1991. Oh if it were only 1911 . . . .

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  9. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    I keep tinkering with ZOIDS1911. This is how he looks today.

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  10. Frank Black

    Frank Black Well-Known Member

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    Apr 13, 2020
    Very nice collection you have, Zoidmeister! Thanks for the pics!
     
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  11. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
    Of course, Brazil got into the 1911 production game as well. These are quite a bit more difficult to find. I have a Brazilian slide sitting around waiting for inspiration as to how to build it out.

    I haven't any pictures of it right now, but can grab some later.

    Z
     
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    swampgas Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Mar 10, 2019
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  13. LEO918

    LEO918 Death Valley, Arizona.

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    Jun 7, 2020
    Here's my Sisema, all matching including numbers the magazine. Sistema.jpg
     
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  14. handforged

    handforged Limestone Canyon Leather and Tool Supporting Addict Sponsor

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    May 19, 2020
    I believe this class of imports is in the Collectors blue book as far as value, although it is a foggy memory. Ultimately the value is whatever the market will bear. I'm not in the know on these but I'm sure there are people who are here.
     
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  15. TexasRedneck

    TexasRedneck Well-Known Member

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    Sep 19, 2011

    Ya mean, like this one? :) LS.JPG View attachment 520955
     

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  16. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Consider my signature line before replying . . . .

    Dec 4, 2014
  17. TexasRedneck

    TexasRedneck Well-Known Member

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    Sep 19, 2011
    Picked that up as part of an estate appraisal I did several years back. Over 250 guns, most interesting but abused milsurps. This was one of the pearls. Did the appraisal, the estate asked my shop to sell them. I made an offer on a half-dozen I was interested in, and they accepted. Took almost 2 years to dispose of them all - as I told them, I priced them to sell, not give away. The fun part was hauling them all in one load - the bed of my Ram 2500 was loaded to the top, and the back & front seats wer stuffed! Got a LOT of eyeballs cruising down 35 from Round Rock to New Braunfels - especially coming through Austin.....lol

    These are the long guns - had to cobble up some racks to hold 'em all......

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  18. TexasRedneck

    TexasRedneck Well-Known Member

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    Sep 19, 2011
    I honestly forgot I had it until you mentioned them....lol One drawback to a largish collection, I guess.
     
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