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Staccato CS 300 round review and size comparison
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Hello All,
I used to be pretty big Wilson Combat fan, and was a big .45 single stack guy, but have shifted to shooting Staccatos in 9mm. I have a C2 Duo Limited that is my range / nightstand gun, and a C Duo which has been my carry gun. I knew it was a compromise in capacity, but I thought it was worth it for the smaller lighter carry option. The C2 grip is large enough I had to have a short trigger installed to have the same finger placement as I do on the C.
Just as my luck would have it, Staccato announces Their CS which is supposed to be the size of the C, with the capacity of the C2. So, I ordered a Staccato CS during the 368 member pre-sale event on October 27th, and it arrived this week. I immediatly added a RMRcc plate and sight (all of my 2011's run the RMRcc). I cycled the slide and it felt much stiffer than my other two Staccatos. I've made two range trips and have about 300 rounds through the gun. I'm happy to say the gun is now equally as smooth as the other two Staccatos.
The very first round didn't chamber all of the way using the slide release. It needed a slight push to seat, but it has been 100% reliable since. I'm chalking up the first chambering to being a tight new gun. The first range trip was 100 rounds of sighting in and slow fire single shots. The gun is very accurate, but I left that day with a feeling like the gun was snappier than I was expecting. Thankfully that is no longer my opinion.
The second range trip was 200 rounds of drawing, single shots at 5 yards for 32 evolutions (two mags). I was shooting at a 10" bullseye target with an 8" ring and a 6" ring. The gun presents will and the sight is easy to acquire. I then did 32 evolutions 4 mags drawing and double tapping. The center of the target was shot out, everything staying in a 6" circle. I then ran the target to 15 yards and fired strings of 4 rapid fire, then to 20, 25, before bringing it back to 10 and 5, drawing from the holster again and firing single shots to close the training day. The good news is I was able to keep 90% of the shots in the 6" circle, and all shots on target. The feeling of snappiness has gone away and it shoots like the other Staccatos I have. Now that it has passed it's 300 round test run, I'm going to start carrying it.
It's hard to look at specs online and really get a feel for the size of a gun. Since I have all three guns, I thought I'd show some side by side images to demonstrate the real world size.
Here is shot of the C and CS side by side.
Here are all three guns side by side looking at the magwell size.
Here is the grip circumference of the C model just over 5.5 inches.
Here is the grip circumference of the CS model, also just over 5.5 inches.
Here is the grip circumference of the C2, coming in at 6 inches.
All of the guns have the same optic, so I weighed them with an unloaded magazine to show the differences.
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The Staccato C comes in at 29.35 oz.
The Staccato CS came in the lightest at 27.13 oz.
The Staccato C2 Duo came in at 30.51 oz.
I also weighed all three guns fully loaded with Winchester Ranger 124gr +p+.
The loaded C (9 rounds) came in at 33.37 oz
The loaded CS (17 rounds) came in at 34.64 oz
The loaded C2 (17 rounds) came in at 40.56 oz. Edit (I didn't realize I had reattached the WML. The ammo lodout is the same so there should have been a 7.51 oz increase and a total loaded weight of 38.02 oz)
Edit to include requested info.
Current holster is the Safarliland GLS 578 ProFit Subcompact. I had to trim away some of the top to clear the optic.
I also had to shave down the lever that releases the trigger lock to allow you to draw the firearm. It would impinge on the side of the grip
Here is an image of the RMRcc from the back to see it's proportion to the slide.
The C2 limited is almost 1/4 of a lb heavier 4oz, than the cs with the same ammo capacity and a larger grip.
With the same grip size, and only a little over an ounce heavier than the C model fully loaded, the Staccato CS is a winner. I'll trade one once for 8 rounds any day!
I love seeing innovation in the firearms industry, and Staccato has really knocked it out of the park with this one!
I used to be pretty big Wilson Combat fan, and was a big .45 single stack guy, but have shifted to shooting Staccatos in 9mm. I have a C2 Duo Limited that is my range / nightstand gun, and a C Duo which has been my carry gun. I knew it was a compromise in capacity, but I thought it was worth it for the smaller lighter carry option. The C2 grip is large enough I had to have a short trigger installed to have the same finger placement as I do on the C.
Just as my luck would have it, Staccato announces Their CS which is supposed to be the size of the C, with the capacity of the C2. So, I ordered a Staccato CS during the 368 member pre-sale event on October 27th, and it arrived this week. I immediatly added a RMRcc plate and sight (all of my 2011's run the RMRcc). I cycled the slide and it felt much stiffer than my other two Staccatos. I've made two range trips and have about 300 rounds through the gun. I'm happy to say the gun is now equally as smooth as the other two Staccatos.
The very first round didn't chamber all of the way using the slide release. It needed a slight push to seat, but it has been 100% reliable since. I'm chalking up the first chambering to being a tight new gun. The first range trip was 100 rounds of sighting in and slow fire single shots. The gun is very accurate, but I left that day with a feeling like the gun was snappier than I was expecting. Thankfully that is no longer my opinion.
The second range trip was 200 rounds of drawing, single shots at 5 yards for 32 evolutions (two mags). I was shooting at a 10" bullseye target with an 8" ring and a 6" ring. The gun presents will and the sight is easy to acquire. I then did 32 evolutions 4 mags drawing and double tapping. The center of the target was shot out, everything staying in a 6" circle. I then ran the target to 15 yards and fired strings of 4 rapid fire, then to 20, 25, before bringing it back to 10 and 5, drawing from the holster again and firing single shots to close the training day. The good news is I was able to keep 90% of the shots in the 6" circle, and all shots on target. The feeling of snappiness has gone away and it shoots like the other Staccatos I have. Now that it has passed it's 300 round test run, I'm going to start carrying it.
It's hard to look at specs online and really get a feel for the size of a gun. Since I have all three guns, I thought I'd show some side by side images to demonstrate the real world size.
Here is shot of the C and CS side by side.
Here are all three guns side by side looking at the magwell size.
Here is the grip circumference of the C model just over 5.5 inches.
Here is the grip circumference of the CS model, also just over 5.5 inches.
Here is the grip circumference of the C2, coming in at 6 inches.
All of the guns have the same optic, so I weighed them with an unloaded magazine to show the differences.
geo plotter
The Staccato C comes in at 29.35 oz.
The Staccato CS came in the lightest at 27.13 oz.
The Staccato C2 Duo came in at 30.51 oz.
I also weighed all three guns fully loaded with Winchester Ranger 124gr +p+.
The loaded C (9 rounds) came in at 33.37 oz
The loaded CS (17 rounds) came in at 34.64 oz
The loaded C2 (17 rounds) came in at 40.56 oz. Edit (I didn't realize I had reattached the WML. The ammo lodout is the same so there should have been a 7.51 oz increase and a total loaded weight of 38.02 oz)
Edit to include requested info.
Current holster is the Safarliland GLS 578 ProFit Subcompact. I had to trim away some of the top to clear the optic.
I also had to shave down the lever that releases the trigger lock to allow you to draw the firearm. It would impinge on the side of the grip
Here is an image of the RMRcc from the back to see it's proportion to the slide.
The C2 limited is almost 1/4 of a lb heavier 4oz, than the cs with the same ammo capacity and a larger grip.
With the same grip size, and only a little over an ounce heavier than the C model fully loaded, the Staccato CS is a winner. I'll trade one once for 8 rounds any day!
I love seeing innovation in the firearms industry, and Staccato has really knocked it out of the park with this one!
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Thank you for sharing this thorough and detailed comparison. C2 frame, is it Aluminium or steel? ThanksHello All,
I used to be pretty big Wilson Combat fan, and was a big .45 single stack guy, but have shifted to shooting Staccatos in 9mm. I have a C2 Duo Limited that is my range / nightstand gun, and a C Duo which has been my carry gun. I knew it was a compromise in capacity, but I thought it was worth it for the smaller lighter carry option. The C2 grip is large enough I had to have a short trigger installed to have the same finger placement as I do on the C.
Just as my luck would have it, Staccato announces Their CS which is supposed to be the size of the C, with the capacity of the C2. So, I ordered a Staccato CS during the 368 member pre-sale event on October 27th, and it arrived this week. I immediatly added a RMRcc plate and sight (all of my 2011's run the RMRcc). I cycled the slide and it felt much stiffer than my other two Staccatos. I've made two range trips and have about 300 rounds through the gun. I'm happy to say the gun is now equally as smooth as the other two Staccatos.
The very first round didn't chamber all of the way using the slide release. It needed a slight push to seat, but it has been 100% reliable since. I'm chalking up the first chambering to being a tight new gun. The first range trip was 100 rounds of sighting in and slow fire single shots. The gun is very accurate, but I left that day with a feeling like the gun was snappier than I was expecting. Thankfully that is no longer my opinion.
The second range trip was 200 rounds of drawing, single shots at 5 yards for 32 evolutions (two mags). I was shooting at a 10" bullseye target with an 8" ring and a 6" ring. The gun presents will and the sight is easy to acquire. I then did 32 evolutions 4 mags drawing and double tapping. The center of the target was shot out, everything staying in a 6" circle. I then ran the target to 15 yards and fired strings of 4 rapid fire, then to 20, 25, before bringing it back to 10 and 5, drawing from the holster again and firing single shots to close the training day. The good news is I was able to keep 90% of the shots in the 6" circle, and all shots on target. The feeling of snappiness has gone away and it shoots like the other Staccatos I have. Now that it has passed it's 300 round test run, I'm going to start carrying it.
It's hard to look at specs online and really get a feel for the size of a gun. Since I have all three guns, I thought I'd show some side by side images to demonstrate the real world size.
Here is shot of the C and CS side by side.
Here are all three guns side by side looking at the magwell size.
Here is the grip circumference of the C model just over 5.5 inches.
Here is the grip circumference of the CS model, also just over 5.5 inches.
Here is the grip circumference of the C2, coming in at 6 inches.
All of the guns have the same optic, so I weighed them with an unloaded magazine to show the differences.
geo plotter
The Staccato C comes in at 29.35 oz.
The Staccato CS came in the lightest at 27.13 oz.
The Staccato C2 Duo came in at 30.51 oz.
I also weighed all three guns fully loaded with Winchester Ranger 124gr +p+.
The loaded C (9 rounds) came in at 33.37 oz
The loaded CS (17 rounds) came in at 34.64 oz
The loaded C2 (17 rounds) came in at 40.56 oz. Edit (I didn't realize I had reattached the WML. The ammo lodout is the same so there should have been a 7.51 oz increase and a total loaded weight of 38.02 oz)
The C2 limited is almost 1/4 of a lb heavier 4oz, than the cs with the same ammo capacity and a larger grip.
With the same grip size, and only a little over an ounce heavier than the C model fully loaded, the Staccato CS is a winner. I'll trade one once for 8 rounds any day!
I love seeing innovation in the firearms industry, and Staccato has really knocked it out of the park with this one!
Dawson plate with standard/tall front?Hello All,
I used to be pretty big Wilson Combat fan, and was a big .45 single stack guy, but have shifted to shooting Staccatos in 9mm. I have a C2 Duo Limited that is my range / nightstand gun, and a C Duo which has been my carry gun. I knew it was a compromise in capacity, but I thought it was worth it for the smaller lighter carry option. The C2 grip is large enough I had to have a short trigger installed to have the same finger placement as I do on the C.
Just as my luck would have it, Staccato announces Their CS which is supposed to be the size of the C, with the capacity of the C2. So, I ordered a Staccato CS during the 368 member pre-sale event on October 27th, and it arrived this week. I immediatly added a RMRcc plate and sight (all of my 2011's run the RMRcc). I cycled the slide and it felt much stiffer than my other two Staccatos. I've made two range trips and have about 300 rounds through the gun. I'm happy to say the gun is now equally as smooth as the other two Staccatos.
The very first round didn't chamber all of the way using the slide release. It needed a slight push to seat, but it has been 100% reliable since. I'm chalking up the first chambering to being a tight new gun. The first range trip was 100 rounds of sighting in and slow fire single shots. The gun is very accurate, but I left that day with a feeling like the gun was snappier than I was expecting. Thankfully that is no longer my opinion.
The second range trip was 200 rounds of drawing, single shots at 5 yards for 32 evolutions (two mags). I was shooting at a 10" bullseye target with an 8" ring and a 6" ring. The gun presents will and the sight is easy to acquire. I then did 32 evolutions 4 mags drawing and double tapping. The center of the target was shot out, everything staying in a 6" circle. I then ran the target to 15 yards and fired strings of 4 rapid fire, then to 20, 25, before bringing it back to 10 and 5, drawing from the holster again and firing single shots to close the training day. The good news is I was able to keep 90% of the shots in the 6" circle, and all shots on target. The feeling of snappiness has gone away and it shoots like the other Staccatos I have. Now that it has passed it's 300 round test run, I'm going to start carrying it.
It's hard to look at specs online and really get a feel for the size of a gun. Since I have all three guns, I thought I'd show some side by side images to demonstrate the real world size.
Here is shot of the C and CS side by side.
Here are all three guns side by side looking at the magwell size.
Here is the grip circumference of the C model just over 5.5 inches.
Here is the grip circumference of the CS model, also just over 5.5 inches.
Here is the grip circumference of the C2, coming in at 6 inches.
All of the guns have the same optic, so I weighed them with an unloaded magazine to show the differences.
geo plotter
The Staccato C comes in at 29.35 oz.
The Staccato CS came in the lightest at 27.13 oz.
The Staccato C2 Duo came in at 30.51 oz.
I also weighed all three guns fully loaded with Winchester Ranger 124gr +p+.
The loaded C (9 rounds) came in at 33.37 oz
The loaded CS (17 rounds) came in at 34.64 oz
The loaded C2 (17 rounds) came in at 40.56 oz. Edit (I didn't realize I had reattached the WML. The ammo lodout is the same so there should have been a 7.51 oz increase and a total loaded weight of 38.02 oz)
Edit to include requested info.
Current holster is the Safarliland GLS 578 ProFit Subcompact. I had to trim away some of the top to clear the optic.
I also had to shave down the lever that releases the trigger lock to allow you to draw the firearm. It would impinge on the side of the grip
Here is an image of the RMRcc from the back to see it's proportion to the slide.
The C2 limited is almost 1/4 of a lb heavier 4oz, than the cs with the same ammo capacity and a larger grip.
With the same grip size, and only a little over an ounce heavier than the C model fully loaded, the Staccato CS is a winner. I'll trade one once for 8 rounds any day!
I love seeing innovation in the firearms industry, and Staccato has really knocked it out of the park with this one!
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