[JK981]

I can see what you’re talking about with the thumb placement.

 

[Andy2434]

Some Staccato Range Day swag . . .

 

[perkbilt]

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Kinda big opening, ain’t it ?

Probably clearance for the weapon light.

 

[JRV12]

Good to hear that trigger feel is pretty similar to the Series 70 guns - was there enough width on that safety to ride it easily, treating like a shelf?

I think it’s about the same width as other staccato safeties. It seemed a little too easy to engage though. Just wasn’t used to holding the grip so high on a 2011 so I kept engaging it. Definitely would take some getting used to for me. The gun didn’t blow me away but with some more time in the hand I think I’d come to appreciate the upgrades like the thumb shelf on the frame, better texture, etc.

 

[Trencher]

I have a P model and a CS. I believe I will not buy anymore models until they figure out a long term direction for their ship. I wish they would be like Wilson Combat and pick one magazine for their double stacks and build from there. If Glock mags are the future for them, then I hope they make it obvious to the consumer sooner than later.

 

[turdfurguson223]

There's not enough money to spend on a Glock trigger to make it a 2011 trigger though.

Or you can just learn to shoot, then trigger weight becomes null and void. I beat plenty of people at matches (with a slightly modified g17 wOEM trigger) shooting against atlas’s, xc’s, and infinities. Too many people try to buy skills. Just my opinion.

 

[Andy2434]

At this point, why not just stick with a Glock 17? You'll get to keep half a pound off your belt and save $2000 for better things

At one point, I had 8 Glocks. I started with the Gen 2 to Gen 3. I shot GSSF and IDPA with them. They are good shooters. I never truly got used to the grip angle. Regardless, I eventually went back to hammer guns, which is how I started this hobby/sport. Revolvers, DA/SA, SAO . . . Gotta love them.

 

[Vynz]

What’s the resale on a $2k Glock?

I sell them like I sell my portfolio: buy high, sell low; works everytime.

 

[ShowMeQC]

Not factoring in attachments here. On a Gucci’d out Glock you’re looking at about a 50% loss, whereas Staccato holds about 75-90% of its value depending on model.

I would always take a 2011 style over a Glock style, 50% loss is wild though, I have never taken a 50% loss on any gun or accessory, I disagree on that point! either way, sure thing 2011's have better resale value or value kept. I would never argue with that!

and in reference to the trigger difference. no one argues 2011/1911 triggers being superior, or a nice cgw tuned cz 75 p01 type.. both superior. I have felt some pretty clean SIG and Glock striker fired triggers, they are getting better, to a point when you are actually using the gun for its intended purpose, it really does not matter or impede what you are trying to do. But sure give me the better trigger any day of the week!

 

[Vynz]

I have a P model and a CS. I believe I will not buy anymore models until they figure out a long term direction for their ship. I wish they would be like Wilson Combat and pick one magazine for their double stacks and build from there. If Glock mags are the future for them, then I hope they make it obvious to the consumer sooner than later.

If they went down the Glock magazine road - do you like your P and CS enough to keep them or would you trim things down to follow along?

 

[ShowMeQC]

so has anyone heard any details on that company doing the porting on the 4.5 HD to make it a mini XC? how is that going to look? any more rumors on the XC being toast?

XC is the best pistol I have ever shot and it is not even close, and I have shot a good amount of different pistols (no Infinity or some of the other high end 2011's) but Staccatos, Nighthawk, Atlas etc.

 

[Trencher]

If they went down the Glock magazine road - do you like your P and CS enough to keep them or would you trim things down to follow along?
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I am going to keep my P long term because I really like it and magazines are pretty abundant, albeit expensive. My CS, I am indifferent to and have concerns about magazine availability if Staccato drops the line after being a short time in the market. I don't think I will be making any further Staccato purchases for a while, if ever. I am going to stick with single stack 1911's and Glocks for the double stacks.

 

[JK981]

I don’t see them moving away from the Glock mag past this point. Can you name one 9mm magazine more ubiquitous or more reliable than the Glock mag?

 

[Zero1911]

I don’t see them moving away from the Glock mag past this point. Can you name one 9mm magazine more ubiquitous or more reliable than the Glock mag?

I may be wrong but they seem to be using a Glock profile magazine and not a polymer magazine. I remember Shield Arms having a mag catch type of deal to remedy (?) when using non polymer Glock profile mags. Maybe Staccato is starting with the same remedy but advising that if the teams need to use a patrolman’s OEM Glock mag in a pinch then it will be good to go but try to use the MecGar mags as standard ?

 

[Chowser]

MecGar didn't make a hole for the magazine catch. They made a divet. So there's no chance of the magazine damaging the polymer. I'm waiting to order six of the MecGar mags for my duty Glock.

IF a dept gets these, they'll probably just buy mecgar mags which are less than $20/mag.
they can use polymer mags in a pinch. It's going to take some repeated abuse to start messing up the magazine.

 

[JK981]

I may be wrong but they seem to be using a Glock profile magazine and not a polymer magazine. I remember Shield Arms having a mag catch type of deal to remedy (?) when using non polymer Glock profile mags. Maybe Staccato is starting with the same remedy but advising that if the teams need to use a patrolman’s OEM Glock mag in a pinch then it will be good to go but try to use the MecGar mags as standard ?

They were showing an oem glock mag in the engineering video.

Two big questions that keep popping up are: does it use the overinsertion tab, and will the mag catch eat up polymer?

 

[Tokay444]

Or you can just learn to shoot, then trigger weight becomes null and void. I beat plenty of people at matches (with a slightly modified g17 wOEM trigger) shooting against atlas’s, xc’s, and infinities. Too many people try to buy skills. Just my opinion.

Do you believe that weight is the only difference?

 

[Wake27]

Or you can just learn to shoot, then trigger weight becomes null and void. I beat plenty of people at matches (with a slightly modified g17 wOEM trigger) shooting against atlas’s, xc’s, and infinities. Too many people try to buy skills. Just my opinion.

I’m probably one of the most ardent Glock supporters on this forum. At least 90% of my pistol shooting has been Glock, probably more and it would’ve been closer to 100% if not for getting a Platypus a few months ago.

But, at least accuracy wise, the vast majority of shooters will instantly improve if you take their Glock and give them a 19/2011. I immediately went from C to B class with mine, despite repeatedly fumbling the draw because the holster and gun were so new to me.

You may not be able to buy skill but you can absolutely buy things that compensate for a lack of skill and make you a faster or more accurate shot.

 

[puddi_nugget]

And you keep your trigger-dingus. We know Glock guys love two things. Horse semen and trigger-dingus.

I prefer the DA/SA of HKs. Gimme the dingus, yeah baby.

 

[ParrishGhost1971]

Duh . . . One would think that with the entire Staccato line sitting on the table, I would have taken a picture. The only pic I took was of another shooter picking up the P4.5. Don't ask me why.
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For my body's build, the C's compact grip is easier for me to conceal AIWB. The C/CS grip is slimmer and a better fit for my hands. The P, XL, and XC's grips are longer and thicker.

I love my C compact. Since I got home, I have been wondering how the P4.5 shoots so much nicer than my C. I guess the extra weight of the steel lower makes a big difference. Don't know much about the HD's recoil assembly or how it's sprung.

ETA: With respect to the grip angle . . . The HD felt just like my C. With the exception of the grip feeling squarer(hard to put into words), it felt nature and shot great.

The 4" is basically the same as your C slide and spring wise. For the 4.5"; the shorter slide, along with weight on the end and spring system probably are what does it. It will be interesting if they incorporate this in the P series.

Was going to ask about the grip. I don't understand why Staccato can't do that grip size in the Fullsize. Aftermarket shaves them down.