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Staccato XC please help...lots of issues with brand new gun.

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#1 ·
So, brand new XC

Problems showed up on 2nd or 3rd magazine through the gun. I have 9 Staccato brand magazines. 2 stock 17's, and 7 Staccato 20 round mags, the other 3 20s are supposed to be here tomorrow...

Anyways...theres an acro on it, no light, no mods, brand new. Acro mount was installed by the dealer at my request prior to shipping. Problems started prior to me even installing the Acro, so nothing is related to optic.

Oil - Lucas Extreme duty - guns has been dripping oil... it definitely has sufficient oil.

It's been cleaned spotless - same issues

Ammo - Winchester Q4318 124gr fmj pretty much a +P rated ammo

round count - 1700+ rounds through it within 1st week of ownership

1st round out of the gun came straight back at my face. 2nd mag, the stovepipes started. The failures to slide lock back also started. Stovepipe jams happen almost every mag, then it would run 200 rounds without an issue, but returned to just about every magazine there was an ejection type jam and no lock back. I was in contact with retailer each day as I tried different stuff, and we both hoped a break-in period would correct everything. Which it did not. Several times, when the slide actually did lock back, there would be the final spent shell casing, just sitting on top of the magazine.

1700 rounds through it... at home.... look at my ejection pattern, there's a bunch at my feet in 12, 3, & 6 oclock vicinity, and then theres a rainbow of all different distances on the ground heading out in a normal ejection point.

Submitted a warranty claim - then spoke with warranty dept and they werent necessarily ugly, but certainly condescending to a point. Pretty much blamed everything but the gun. Finally issued an RMA to return gun for warranty inspection/ repair.

So I do maintenance for a living, and the whole thing bugged me and I did some research. Found ppl with weirdly similar experiences, both with the firearm and Staccato Warranty dept. So I checked the extractor tension.... slide the round in tonthe breach face, under the extractor tooth, let go..... and round just falls right out on to the table.
Pull the extractor, do some tuning, just a bit at a time till im more comfortable with x amount of force gives me x amount more tension... happy with how round slides under extractor, how it looks against breach face, and how well it holds on to round. Put it all back together, oil each step of assembly.

Shot the gun today. Rounds were extracting fine. So i thought the extractor tension was not too tight. I didnt shoot enough rounds for a stovepipe, cuz I figured that problem was corrected with correcting extractor. So i was testing lock back.... and theres still issues. If I have a strong form grip, it wont lock back. If i shoot with 1 hand , or i allow limp wristing, it locks back. My support thumb is NOT interfering with anything at all. Thumb on my right hand is on the thumb safety.

Could this be an issue with the extractor being a bit to much tension? I am having ZERO feeding issues. I loaded all the mags with 2 or 3 rounds and then was loading them with singles and I had a few lock back.

Oh, the 1st time i took it apart.... the silver barrel on the recoil spring assembly, i would tell you what the words on it say, but theres some weird wear all around the back half of it..

If anyone has any input, or suggestions, id love to hear it. My frustration levels are boiling over. Yeah, i could just send it in to Staccato, but after the attitude they seemed to have.... i don't have a whole lot of confidence in them at this point.

To be perfectly honest.... im quickly starting to feel this thing is more trouble than its worth, and ready to cut my losses on the 2011 platform, and Staccato and just move on down the road. In 30+ years of shooting, i have never had this many problems with all my guns combined.

Again, any and all help would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks
Tyler
 
#3 ·
The XC is typically a great gun,I’ve had zero problems with mine, Im thinking you just got an idiot on the phone from the warranty department,usually Staccato has a great service policy and great customer service,overall the XC is a great pistol
 
#4 ·
Staccato support is really good. If you already got an RMA, then send it in for service. For what it's worth, I've sent in just about every new gun I have for service - just my luck. They usually come back fixed, but with extractor I had to send mine back a few times (another brand). I can appreciate your frustration... but now let this headache be for the people that built it.
 
#5 ·
Sorry to hear that you’re having issues with the XC.
I’ve had mine for only a couple of months and I freaking love it.

Send it in and get it fixed. Shoot the **** out of it.

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#6 ·
Right thumb on the thumb safety is how most folks end up slowing down the slide with it. That’s how I did it when I first started shooting 9mm 1911s 🤣. XC has a very light slide and light springs so it’s very easy to do this. Take your thumb off the safety for few mags - if the issue goes away it’s you squeezing your hand.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Several times, when the slide actually did lock back, there would be the final spent shell casing, just sitting on top of the magazine.
look at my ejection pattern, there's a bunch at my feet in 12, 3, & 6 oclock vicinity, and then theres a rainbow of all different distances on the ground heading out in a normal ejection point.
This is an extractor issue, which seems you have already resolved.



If I have a strong form grip, it wont lock back. If i shoot with 1 hand , or i allow limp wristing, it locks back. My support thumb is NOT interfering with anything at all. Thumb on my right hand is on the thumb safety.
Highly suggest sending it back and having Staccato address the issue; but if you're going to tackle this on your own, I'd start by testing each mag - load a single dummy round or snap cap, then cycle the slide till empty and confirm the slide locks back with full engagement of the slidestop into it's recess in the slide. If you don't get lockback when hand cycling with the majority of the mags, then the issue is likely the slidestop nub that interacts with the magazine follower; if it's consistently with certain mags and not others, then you might have some defective mags.

If during hand cycling everything functions as it should, then either the slide is outrunning the magazine during firing (cycling before the follower has a chance to push the slidestop up) or your grip is the problem (somehow interacting with the slide stop and keeping it from rotating up).

Did you happen to change the recoil spring or shove a shock-buff in there? The slide might also not be cycling through its full length of travel.

I also suggest focusing most of your testing around the 17 round magazines. Any issue and malfunctions I've had with the Staccatos I've owned have revolved around the 20-rounders.
 
#11 ·
Most know I'm not a fan of S?!?!?!?!?!O because of thing like this.
In the STI days they would have fixed it w/o any problems etc eetc

Couple of thoughts
Ammo that is nato pressure or more to run the comp effectively for a couple thousand rounds
Your pistol may be slightly tighter than most etc
Try an 8 lbs recoil spring and see if it helps

Slide off and look at interface of magazine follower and slide stop
Measure lobe on Slide Stop , make sure it's a 9mm SS
 
#15 ·
They literally sent you the label for the warranty return to get it running right, and instead of sending the gun in, you come to the internet and complain. What more do you expect them to do?

Yes, it would be nice if everything worked the first time, right out of the box, but this is real life and sometimes it doesn't. That is why buying from companies with great customer service matters. But the best customer service in the world doesn't do you any good if you then proceed to not use it.
 
#21 ·
They literally sent you the label for the warranty return to get it running right, and instead of sending the gun in, you come to the internet and complain. What more do you expect them to do?

Yes, it would be nice if everything worked the first time, right out of the box, but this is real life and sometimes it doesn't. That is why buying from companies with great customer service matters. But the best customer service in the world doesn't do you any good if you then proceed to not use it.
This is why I'll happily pay $500 over the 'other guys'.

The customer service and multiple interactions and warranty work I've had with Staccato over the last 5 years has been flawless.
 
#16 ·
I'm usually the poor schmuck who gets the rare lemon from guns with reps for reliability. I generally don't gripe unless it's an issue obvious as soon as you look at it, or if I send it back and it returns with issues. I know it's BS and a PITA to send back a brand new gun to get it to actually run, but WTH are you doing wasting thousands of rounds of ammo and calling the dealer every day? Send it back!
 
#18 ·
Definitely send it back for warranty work. The rep must have been new, most of the reps ive encounters are super nice and extremely helpful. Especially when it came to my XC more than others.
 
#20 ·
Hello,

I have a 19’ P that refuses to run reliably with Winchester Ammo. That and S&B 115. Ran the S&B 124’s fine. She still hated the Winchester 124’s. Its in really good condition and was not fired a lot at all. She hated magtech too.
It runs everything else fine 100%. I called Staccato and they recommended not using Winchester and Magtech ammo. Ive run magtech and winchester through an XL, Heritage P, 2 other 19’ P’s, and a CS flawlessly, sometimes certain pistols are finicky. Id send it back if I were you! They usually work pretty quick!