So, brand new XC
Problems showed up on 2nd or 3rd magazine through the gun. I have 9 Staccato brand magazines. 2 stock 17's, and 7 Staccato 20 round mags, the other 3 20s are supposed to be here tomorrow...
Anyways...theres an acro on it, no light, no mods, brand new. Acro mount was installed by the dealer at my request prior to shipping. Problems started prior to me even installing the Acro, so nothing is related to optic.
Oil - Lucas Extreme duty - guns has been dripping oil... it definitely has sufficient oil.
It's been cleaned spotless - same issues
Ammo - Winchester Q4318 124gr fmj pretty much a +P rated ammo
round count - 1700+ rounds through it within 1st week of ownership
1st round out of the gun came straight back at my face. 2nd mag, the stovepipes started. The failures to slide lock back also started. Stovepipe jams happen almost every mag, then it would run 200 rounds without an issue, but returned to just about every magazine there was an ejection type jam and no lock back. I was in contact with retailer each day as I tried different stuff, and we both hoped a break-in period would correct everything. Which it did not. Several times, when the slide actually did lock back, there would be the final spent shell casing, just sitting on top of the magazine.
1700 rounds through it... at home.... look at my ejection pattern, there's a bunch at my feet in 12, 3, & 6 oclock vicinity, and then theres a rainbow of all different distances on the ground heading out in a normal ejection point.
Submitted a warranty claim - then spoke with warranty dept and they werent necessarily ugly, but certainly condescending to a point. Pretty much blamed everything but the gun. Finally issued an RMA to return gun for warranty inspection/ repair.
So I do maintenance for a living, and the whole thing bugged me and I did some research. Found ppl with weirdly similar experiences, both with the firearm and Staccato Warranty dept. So I checked the extractor tension.... slide the round in tonthe breach face, under the extractor tooth, let go..... and round just falls right out on to the table.
Pull the extractor, do some tuning, just a bit at a time till im more comfortable with x amount of force gives me x amount more tension... happy with how round slides under extractor, how it looks against breach face, and how well it holds on to round. Put it all back together, oil each step of assembly.
Shot the gun today. Rounds were extracting fine. So i thought the extractor tension was not too tight. I didnt shoot enough rounds for a stovepipe, cuz I figured that problem was corrected with correcting extractor. So i was testing lock back.... and theres still issues. If I have a strong form grip, it wont lock back. If i shoot with 1 hand , or i allow limp wristing, it locks back. My support thumb is NOT interfering with anything at all. Thumb on my right hand is on the thumb safety.
Could this be an issue with the extractor being a bit to much tension? I am having ZERO feeding issues. I loaded all the mags with 2 or 3 rounds and then was loading them with singles and I had a few lock back.
Oh, the 1st time i took it apart.... the silver barrel on the recoil spring assembly, i would tell you what the words on it say, but theres some weird wear all around the back half of it..
If anyone has any input, or suggestions, id love to hear it. My frustration levels are boiling over. Yeah, i could just send it in to Staccato, but after the attitude they seemed to have.... i don't have a whole lot of confidence in them at this point.
To be perfectly honest.... im quickly starting to feel this thing is more trouble than its worth, and ready to cut my losses on the 2011 platform, and Staccato and just move on down the road. In 30+ years of shooting, i have never had this many problems with all my guns combined.
Again, any and all help would be greatly appreciated!!!
Thanks
Tyler
Problems showed up on 2nd or 3rd magazine through the gun. I have 9 Staccato brand magazines. 2 stock 17's, and 7 Staccato 20 round mags, the other 3 20s are supposed to be here tomorrow...
Anyways...theres an acro on it, no light, no mods, brand new. Acro mount was installed by the dealer at my request prior to shipping. Problems started prior to me even installing the Acro, so nothing is related to optic.
Oil - Lucas Extreme duty - guns has been dripping oil... it definitely has sufficient oil.
It's been cleaned spotless - same issues
Ammo - Winchester Q4318 124gr fmj pretty much a +P rated ammo
round count - 1700+ rounds through it within 1st week of ownership
1st round out of the gun came straight back at my face. 2nd mag, the stovepipes started. The failures to slide lock back also started. Stovepipe jams happen almost every mag, then it would run 200 rounds without an issue, but returned to just about every magazine there was an ejection type jam and no lock back. I was in contact with retailer each day as I tried different stuff, and we both hoped a break-in period would correct everything. Which it did not. Several times, when the slide actually did lock back, there would be the final spent shell casing, just sitting on top of the magazine.
1700 rounds through it... at home.... look at my ejection pattern, there's a bunch at my feet in 12, 3, & 6 oclock vicinity, and then theres a rainbow of all different distances on the ground heading out in a normal ejection point.
Submitted a warranty claim - then spoke with warranty dept and they werent necessarily ugly, but certainly condescending to a point. Pretty much blamed everything but the gun. Finally issued an RMA to return gun for warranty inspection/ repair.
So I do maintenance for a living, and the whole thing bugged me and I did some research. Found ppl with weirdly similar experiences, both with the firearm and Staccato Warranty dept. So I checked the extractor tension.... slide the round in tonthe breach face, under the extractor tooth, let go..... and round just falls right out on to the table.
Pull the extractor, do some tuning, just a bit at a time till im more comfortable with x amount of force gives me x amount more tension... happy with how round slides under extractor, how it looks against breach face, and how well it holds on to round. Put it all back together, oil each step of assembly.
Shot the gun today. Rounds were extracting fine. So i thought the extractor tension was not too tight. I didnt shoot enough rounds for a stovepipe, cuz I figured that problem was corrected with correcting extractor. So i was testing lock back.... and theres still issues. If I have a strong form grip, it wont lock back. If i shoot with 1 hand , or i allow limp wristing, it locks back. My support thumb is NOT interfering with anything at all. Thumb on my right hand is on the thumb safety.
Could this be an issue with the extractor being a bit to much tension? I am having ZERO feeding issues. I loaded all the mags with 2 or 3 rounds and then was loading them with singles and I had a few lock back.
Oh, the 1st time i took it apart.... the silver barrel on the recoil spring assembly, i would tell you what the words on it say, but theres some weird wear all around the back half of it..
If anyone has any input, or suggestions, id love to hear it. My frustration levels are boiling over. Yeah, i could just send it in to Staccato, but after the attitude they seemed to have.... i don't have a whole lot of confidence in them at this point.
To be perfectly honest.... im quickly starting to feel this thing is more trouble than its worth, and ready to cut my losses on the 2011 platform, and Staccato and just move on down the road. In 30+ years of shooting, i have never had this many problems with all my guns combined.
Again, any and all help would be greatly appreciated!!!
Thanks
Tyler