Two piece FLGR to GI question

Discussion in '1911 Gunsmithing' started by CornellBigRed, Dec 2, 2018.

  1. CornellBigRed

    CornellBigRed New Member

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    Dec 2, 2018
    Hi folks - I’ve searched a lot of sites and threads for an answer to this one and would really appreciate hearing from you guys...

    Basic question is around my two-piece full-length guide rod and converting to a GI setup. I have seen a lot of videos and descriptions showing where people swap out the two-piece FLGR with a GI spring cap and a new spring guide. With the Springfield Loaded two-piece guide rod, once you unscrew the FLGR extension you are left with a short spring guide that looks very much like one of the GI-system guides but with threads. Can I simply keep that in place and get a GI spring cap and be done with the conversion? I’m not sure why people get new spring guides.

    Thank you in advance for sharing your thoughts.

    John
     
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  2. El Perdido

    El Perdido Fictional Western Sage

    Oct 3, 2011
    Get a standard recoil spring plug for your pistol (either government length or commander), get a standard recoil spring guide for your pistol (either government length or commander), install
     
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  3. CornellBigRed

    CornellBigRed New Member

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    Dec 2, 2018
    Thanks el Perdido. The core of my question is whether I can leave the recoil spring guide that is part of the two-piece system in place rather than getting a new one. It appears to be the same width and length, with the only difference (that I can see) being threads at the end that faces the spring plug.
     
  4. texasnurse

    texasnurse Well-Known Member

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    Aug 6, 2016
    You need a recoil spring plug and guide while your at it pick up a proper Wolff 16lb spring .




    Sent from my iPhone with a general disregard for the masses
     
  5. WC145

    WC145 Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2013
    I've never tried what your asking, I use either GI style guide rods or Wilson one piece FLGRs. In theory what you are asking should work, however a recoil spring doesn't compress in a perfectly straight line when using a short guide rod so I would be concerned with the coils hanging up on the sharp edge at the front of the half of the two piece guide rod you'd be using. If you look at a GI guide rod the front is rounded and I would assume that it's made that way to allow the spring to compress without catching on it. GI guide rods are inexpensive, I'd just buy the parts and do the conversion correctly.
     
  6. CornellBigRed

    CornellBigRed New Member

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    Dec 2, 2018
    Excellent point and certainly clarifies why the change-out is needed. I don’t want to half-butt anything, but couldn’t understand why the swap was required. Thanks so much.
     
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  7. Integrity Arms

    Integrity Arms 1911 Pistol Smith

    Mar 20, 2017
    I have done this conversion with a Kimber and a few other pistols, did extensive research before doing the first one. The problem with what your suggesting is sharp edges on the plug left over, the diameter of that piece as well as the length. Using this part could cause spring stacking which could cause your gun to not cycle all the way. The end of the part you speak of gets hung up on one of the coils and begins to compress the spring from there. GI guide rods are cheap, don't take short cuts. There is also a difference in a 4" and a 4.25 true commander. You want to make sure after installation that the end of your guide rod does not hit the inside of the spring cap.
     
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  8. CornellBigRed

    CornellBigRed New Member

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    Dec 2, 2018
    Thanks, Steve. Just placed an order!
     
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  9. Jim PHL

    Jim PHL Well-Known Member

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    Jan 26, 2013
    I did exactly what you’re asking with my Loaded. It’s not an issue if you want to try it just to see if there’s any difference in feel for you. You can basically try it out just by running the base piece of your 2-piece rod with the plug that has the hole in it. But if you decide you want to keep that configuration I wouldn’t keep the original (base piece of the 2-piece) in place, I’d just buy a standard GI guide rod (which is what I did). You’ll also want a regular plug without the hole for the full-length rod. As WC145 stated the base of your 2-piece is slightly longer than a GI and has the threads at the tip. There is some potential there for a compressed recoil spring to bind and maybe catch there. I ordered a standard rod and plug from Springfield but you can get them from any one of many sources. (Side note: this was a few years ago. I ordered stainless parts and received blued. When I called about it they shipped the stainless parts I wanted and told me to just keep the blued ones.)
     
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  10. john_anch_ak

    john_anch_ak Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Mar 7, 2017
    Welcome to the forum from Alaska! Momma moose is keeping a wary eye on us! 20181117_123038.jpg
     
  11. Integrity Arms

    Integrity Arms 1911 Pistol Smith

    Mar 20, 2017
    Really cool pic.. At least she is calm, from what I hear those momma's can be a bit hormonal lol..
     
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  12. Jim w.

    Jim w. Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2016
    If you wanted to cut off the threaded section and round off the corners, the back end of the two piece would be useable. You could keep the plug with hole, it would just make your pistol look like an over/under.
     
  13. texasnurse

    texasnurse Well-Known Member

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  14. CornellBigRed

    CornellBigRed New Member

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    Dec 2, 2018
    Nothing, and I mean nothing, makes a 1911 look more awesome than simulating over/under capability :D


     
  15. john_anch_ak

    john_anch_ak Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

    Mar 7, 2017
    Moose injure way more people than bears. For some dumb reason, some folks seem to think that they are harmless. Big mistake there.
    Some years ago for some stupid reason, an old man wanted to use a certain door at the college. A momma moose and her calf were close to that door. Instead of backing off and using a different door the old man walked between momma moose and her calf. Momma moose did not like that at all and went and stomped the old man to death. He died for being stupid and Momma moose was shot and killed for doing what comes natural protecting her young. After all, we can't have a killer of dumb people live can we? No one knows what happened to the calf.
     
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  16. Integrity Arms

    Integrity Arms 1911 Pistol Smith

    Mar 20, 2017
    Yeah I have seen some videos of them being pretty violent especially the female but, always involving a calf it appears.
     
  17. Old Sea Dragon

    Old Sea Dragon Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2018
    This*
     
  18. Old Sea Dragon

    Old Sea Dragon Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2018
    Stupid people/Stupid games/Stupid prizes. Shame for mama Moose though. Academics live in a bubble and theirs is a very weird world.
     
  19. El Perdido

    El Perdido Fictional Western Sage

    Oct 3, 2011
    Hmm, this is confusing. Are we talking about whether moose(s) function better with full length guide rods or GI guide rods?
     
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  20. Integrity Arms

    Integrity Arms 1911 Pistol Smith

    Mar 20, 2017
    Lol I think the guide rod question was answered and it become a Moose thread lol...
     
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