Dan Wesson Valor series discontinued?

Discussion in 'General 1911 talk' started by tc215, Dec 18, 2018.

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  1. tc215

    tc215 Well-Known Member

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    May 31, 2015
    I heard today that the VBOB had been discontinued. I didn’t really believe it, but then I checked Lipsey’s website. They no longer have many of the Valor/VBOB series listed, and the versions that are there are on sale. I hate to see them go.

    This would also explain why DW has been telling people they couldn’t order custom VBOBs anymore and had to order CBOBs instead.
     
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  2. Integrity Arms

    Integrity Arms 1911 Pistol Smith

    Mar 20, 2017
    That's really strange you would think that has been one of their best selling models.
     

  3. NPV

    NPV Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2017
    If this turns out to be true it would be like Ford discontinuing the Mustang. Pretty crazy.....
     
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  4. fieldgrade

    fieldgrade resident crank

    Mar 13, 2017
    I don't think Valors are being discontinued. The thread title and the actual thread are a little confusing.
     
  5. tc215

    tc215 Well-Known Member

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    May 31, 2015
    What’s confusing about it? I heard the VBOB was being discontinued, I checked, and found that it appears the whole line is going out.

    The only 5” Valors that Lipsey’s lists now are the 9mm duty treat and the 9mm blued, which was discontinued a year ago. Both are on sale. No .45’s, no 10mm’s.

    The only Valor Commander listed is the 9mm in stainless steel. It’s on sale. No duty treat, no .45’s.

    The only VBOB listed anymore is the .45 in duty treat. It’s on sale. No SS models, no 9mm’s.

    Lipsey’s generally only removes guns from their catalog when they’re no longer produced and they don’t have anymore.

    Same thing happened last year with the Valkyrie series.
     
  6. Colorado Sonny

    Colorado Sonny Deo Volente Supporting Addict

    Sep 25, 2015
    I would think that they will continue the Valor Series, but they may be discontinuing certain models. There are no more Valors in blue on the Dan Wesson/ CZ website.
     
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  7. NPV

    NPV Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2017
    In all fairness though the Valkyrie is still on Dan Wesson’s website so I don’t know how accurate I’d call it.
     
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  8. tc215

    tc215 Well-Known Member

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    May 31, 2015
    Keith emailed me a few minutes ago. All Valor models have been discontinued for 2019.
     
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  9. 1L26

    1L26 Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2018
    Rut Ro!
     
  10. Au Jus in Bello

    Au Jus in Bello Well-Known Member

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    May 19, 2017
    That's unexpected -- flagships don't usually get unceremoniously chopped.

    Methinks we should all look for a significant SHOT Show rollout...
     
  11. fieldgrade

    fieldgrade resident crank

    Mar 13, 2017
    I just sold a blued Valor.
     
  12. tc215

    tc215 Well-Known Member

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    May 31, 2015
    I'm not sure about that. He told me that they may introduce a new gun somewhere down the line with similar features to the Valor, but no hard plans yet. Normally DW has already announced their new guns by this time of year.

    The Valor also hasn't been considered their flagship gun in several years-- since they brought the rest of their guns up to the same standards as the Valors.
     
  13. Au Jus in Bello

    Au Jus in Bello Well-Known Member

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    May 19, 2017
    I'd argue that despite bringing the stable in line with the parts and build quality of the Valor, the Valor remains the series that epitomizes Dan Wesson; it's the standard to which the rest of the line is held and compared -- that's a flagship.

    If they don't have its replacement conceived, decided upon and coming down the pike, I'm amazed -- huge hole in their stable until they do.
     
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  14. Journeyman1234

    Journeyman1234 Well-Known Member

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    Feb 28, 2017
    I am disappointed to learn that the Valor series is being discontinued. Although the parts and build quality may be the same, I prefer the Valor frame, myself. It's got a higher undercut and the checkering goes slightly higher up the front strap, I believe. I have a DW Valor blued and a DW V-Bob in Duty Treat (both in God's caliber). I may add another Valor or Valor Commander or another V-Bob now.
     
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  15. WWB

    WWB Administrator Staff Member Admin Moderator Supporting Addict

    Apr 11, 2015
    It true All Valors have been discontinued for 2019. I just spoke to Keith about it.
     
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  16. Old Sea Dragon

    Old Sea Dragon Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2018
    This, I think!
     
  17. Scaramouche

    Scaramouche Student of the Columbian Exchange Supporting Addict

    Sep 15, 2015
    This thread has got me thinking about actual Dan Wesson blue Valor gun sales. While I understand we all liked the blue Valors I don't know how many of us actually bought one or two. Which led me to the ATF website and trying to find statistics of how many of these guns were manufactured, that led me to understand that's a hard number to find.

    So I conclude a manufacturer stops manufacturing a model that 1) isn't selling at their price point and/or 2) has reached a cost of manufacturing that would mandate a price increase that puts the gun at an unfavorable price point in the market place; meaning it would compete with other guns that have an edge in options or other factors.

    If anyone had current sales figures it would be interesting as it may shed some light on this discussion and understanding why. I never bought one or even seen one, closest I got to one was an A2 with a sticking thumb safety.
     
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    removed Well-Known Member

    Aug 22, 2015
    Knowing DW, they will have a model to replace it. Maybe not right away, but they will.
    It's all well and great you bring the rest of your model up to the same level as the Valor, but you still need a Valor or something like it in your portfolio.
     
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  19. B81

    B81 Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2018
    Well, I guess that's good news for Springfield. Now the TRP line might see a boost in sales.

    I think @Scaramouche is right. This probably boils down to lack of profitability at a price point where DW is competitive. You can buy a Les Baer for about $2000, and an entry level Ed Brown for about $2500 (sometimes less). I'm not sure how popular the Valor would be if its street price crept above $2000.
     
  20. B81

    B81 Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2018
    Any word on the DW Specialist? If anything, I would have expected that model to get discontinued. (Maybe its more popular than I thought.)
     

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