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VIS Dimensions... why generic dimensions don't work.

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I often get asked about how far back to cut the VIS on clark/para or nowlin/wilson VIS cuts, and the answer to the question always starts with another question, how far back is your barrel VIS in relationship to the link pin hole? I will start out by saying that I prefer to use Clark/Para barrels, because you can cut the frame VIS and HIS all in one setup for simplicity, accuracy, and repeatability, so for this reason I really like clark/para design barrel VIS. There seems to be some generic dimensions that people like to use for the distance between the slide stop pin hole and the VIS, but generic dimensions only work when the barrel manufacturers all work to the same standard, and I am here to tell you they do not. For example, KKM clark/para barrels run around 0.4935" from the center of the link pin hole to the back of the barrel's VIS (back of standing lug), where KKM barrels run around 0.500" from the center of the link pin hole to the barrels VIS (back of standing lug). This example alone shows a difference of 0.0065" of where the location of the frame VIS should be in relationship to the slide stop pin hole. The barrel is attached to the slide stop pin by the link, which has a fixed arc. The barrel cannot travel outside of this fixed arc so the location of the VIS in relationship to both slide stop pin hole and link pin hole will for most applications, be easily determined based on measuring the barrel. The above illustration above shows the relationship between the original blueprint and a randomized example of a clark/para VIS. As you can clearly see the VIS location simply becomes a relative plus/minus equation based on known dimensions... if the VIS on the barrel is 0.243" further back from the link pin hole center than the standard blueprint, the VIS on the frame needs to be cut back 0.243" further from the slide stop pin hole. For my building purposes I setup a spreadsheet to plug in the numbers to quickly determine the VIS location based on the barrel that I am using. Just another detail to ensure proper timing on 1911s. Hope this helps. If anyone wants to excel spreadsheet just message me.

Next I will dive-in to the lower lug profile and where to stop the cut (slide stop pin abutment).
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Dear Sir, I do believe you are removing the mystery (at least to me) and making perfect sense with your explanations. Thank you for such excellent, straight-forward explanations. Kudos for being able to to take what you preach and reducing it to practice. (y)(y)

May I ask what design software you're using?

If I'm still alive when you reopen your build list, I want on it! Kinda' like Lay's potato chips, one Bunker just isn't enough! :D
Dear Sir, I do believe you are removing the mystery (at least to me) and making perfect sense with your explanations. Thank you for such excellent, straight-forward explanations. Kudos for being able to to take what you preach and reducing it to practice. (y)(y)

May I ask what design software you're using?

If I'm still alive when you reopen your build list, I want on it! Kinda' like Lay's potato chips, one Bunker just isn't enough! :D
Thank you. I always thought it was awesome when Jerry Keefer would post such informative posts; I learned a lot from them and want to give back so here I am posting informative posts. The CAD software I am using is Autodesk Fusion 360. I believe you can still get an educational version for free to play around on.
By the way, I do not believe I will ever reopen my build list, but there will certainly be more guns for sale... I just finished one up a couple weeks ago.
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Thanks, Very familiar with AutoCad and AutoCAD LT. I'll have to see what Fusion 360 is all about.

I just finished one up a couple weeks ago.
How, where do you market/sell them?
Thanks, Very familiar with AutoCad and AutoCAD LT. I'll have to see what Fusion 360 is all about.


How, where do you market/sell them?
Most of the time they sell before I get a chance to market them but I will post future ones for sale here and on my website.
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GREAT stuff Mr. Bunker!
It's good to see measuring and precision machining optimize the 1911.

If this thread is open for discussion, I'll add a bit?

I prefer the Wilson/Nowlin. I measure and cut as you do, but I cut about .010" shy of carefully calculated dimensions.
This usually results in barely acceptable link down.
Then I will remove material from the VIS of the barrel to achieve proper mechanics.
Lots easier to do on a flat VIS than a radiused one.

This can be nice if switching between barrel makers or different lots of manufacturing.

Allows an easily adjustable surface to accommadate (sp?) different dimensions.

I've found the 'sweet spot' for ramped barrel fits to be less than .005".
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