WC92: Action Tune **Updated**

Discussion in 'Autoloaders' started by Sterling Archer, Nov 11, 2015.

  1. Sterling Archer

    Sterling Archer Codename Duchess Supporting Addict

    Aug 30, 2015
    Picked up my Beretta/Wilson 92G Brigadier Tactical (needs a nickname, that's a mouthful) from my FFL today (thanks Tractus Arms!) but it doesn't have the Action Tune. Now, the trigger already felt pretty sweet. It's my second DA/SA, the first being a Hk USP, so I have a limited frame of reference. I'm shipping it out tomorrow for the Action Tune, really simply because EVERYONE says it's the 'bees knees'. Yep, I'm being a lemming but at least I'm a self aware lemming.

    My question is; what specifically am I looking at gaining by going with the Action Tune that makes it so much better than how the pistol is currently equipped?
     
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  2. B_RAD

    B_RAD You serious, Clark?

    Jan 15, 2012
    I just refer to mine as a WC 92G.

    I can't answer your question but I'd be interested it what others have to say.
     
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  3. cor_man257

    cor_man257 Well-Known Member

    695
    May 15, 2015
    Mas Ayoob called it a "Wilber" in a video. I thought that was funny, but I've also seen it called "The Wilson 92" and the "The Brig Tac". Eitherway I'm jealous.

    DA/SA pulls can change the length to get to the reset making it shorter. The break can also be made crisper and smoother. I cant say how the difference will be on the Willy Com 92... but that's the major difference between a standard SIG and a SRT Sig.

    -Cory
     
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  4. Glock2740

    Glock2740 1911 addict Staff Member Moderator

    Aug 16, 2011
    The Sig SRT triggers don't even come close to the Wilson Beretta's with the action tune.
     
  5. Ronwiz

    Ronwiz Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

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    Dec 31, 2014
    I just ordered my Wilson Brigadier 92g from George at Gunsligers and have the same questions. I should get it early next week. Mine has the Action Tune. I hear there is also an enhanced trigger bar you can get from Wilson that goes beyond what comes with the Action Tune. Unfortunately, I cant explain all of this. There are conversations about this under Wilson Combat threads in the 1911 Forum. Apparently, Wilson cannot add this at time of production because of excise taxes. You can, however send it back to get it done.
     
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  6. cor_man257

    cor_man257 Well-Known Member

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    May 15, 2015
    I'm sure it doesn't. I was just trying to explain what the improvements to the trigger probably are (IE what about the trigger will be better). Shorter reset and crisper, smoother, break have been the improvements made to DA/SA in my experience.

    -Cory
     
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  7. Sterling Archer

    Sterling Archer Codename Duchess Supporting Addict

    Aug 30, 2015
    Thanks, I'll take a look. I'll try to avoid that place so I haven't searched there yet.
     
  8. Ronwiz

    Ronwiz Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

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    Dec 31, 2014
    Understand, but there is some good information on all of this from the Wilson Combat Rep.
     
  9. Sterling Archer

    Sterling Archer Codename Duchess Supporting Addict

    Aug 30, 2015
    I did a search for 'Action Tune' in posts by WilsonCombatRep and am reading through the main thread now. Thanks again!
     
  10. Sterling Archer

    Sterling Archer Codename Duchess Supporting Addict

    Aug 30, 2015
    Found this linked off the thread to the Beretta forum, it's Mr. Wilson explaining his 'process':

    First off I didn't have competition shooters in mind when spec'ing this pistol, primarily a optimized service pistol.

    That being said I want to give some history as to the "why" of the project. As many of you know I have been a big Beretta 92 fan since back in the 80s and am a serious Beretta collector. While my first love has always been and will always be the 1911 platform, the B92 is of major interest to me. One thing I have normally been successful at is turning interests/hobbies into profit. I want things that don't exist, so it create them for myself and then figure out a way for the project to pay for what I personally get out of it. Example: I wanted custom work on my own Beretta's but I can't justify taking bench time from my pistolsmiths building 1911s since we're 1-3 years our on delivery depending on the model. So I had to make it a profitable business venture to do custom Beretta work. Same with the Brig Tac, I personally wanted a pistol Beretta didn't build and probably never would build. Only way to do this was to dive in deep enough to make a it a real and profitable business venture. I have another must have model in mind so stay tuned......

    So based on what I just said it really comes down to my personal preference, I just spec'd out the pistol "I" wanted for myself, with very little though as to how it would be received by the market.......

    The pistols I had in my collection that was the nearest to what I wanted were Elite IIs and 92G SDs, so I basically took what I liked best from each of these two models and then added what was missing.

    I'm guess in everyone's next ? will be "why" do you like this or that. So here goes a quick rundown.

    Starting with the obvious and working down to the meat and potatoes.....

    All metal parts: If you want a plastic gun go buy one (hopefully a Walther PPQ M2), plastic parts have no place on a fully machined quality pistol

    Checkering: You can't shoot a pistol fast unless you can keep it from moving in your hand

    Beveled magazine well: While the standard M92 is a pretty easy gun to re-load, every little bit helps under stress

    D Hammer spring: Why Beretta puts the god awful heavy hammer springs in their pistols I have NO idea, the DA is basically un-shootable with these 26#ish springs and totally unnecessary to ignite quality ammo. In my opinion you shouldn't be shooting the Russian crap ammo in a quality pistol, so who cares if it misfires. I've done a lot of testing on this and a 16# Wolff or factory D spring will reliable light any US mfg primer double action. If you stick with Federal or Winchester you can usually get by with a 13# spring. I have guns that are sure fire with 12# springs and Federal primers.

    Removable front sight: WHY BUSA DOESN'T MAKE THIS A STANDARD FEATURE OF EVERY MODEL EXCEPT THE M9 I HAVE NO IDEA ????

    G de-cocker: It's simply the way all M92s/96s should be............ Why you would want a safety on a DA/SA pistol is beyond me. This is one place though that I did make a compromise to assure the pistol would be accepted in the marketplace. I went with the std parts so it would be more readily accepted my the masses and be IDPA SSP approved. Personally I would have dropped the right side lever, as a right hander it's nothing but something to get hung on something.

    Light rail: I carry a pistol EVERY day ALL day! I also put this pistol on my nightstand every night and I prefer to have a light attached to it because if I need it in the dark I want a light on it! Do I like it aesthetically, NO I'd much prefer the sleeker look of a pistol without it.

    Stainless match grade barrel and tighter slide to frame fit: Accuracy good, it's one of those things you can't get too much of. Maybe everyone can't utilize the difference between the accuracy of a S&W M&P and a Brig Tac, but those of us that can really appreciate it. To address those comments about tighter tolerances reducing reliability I call BS, WC has been building some of the most reliable 1911s since the late 70s and we build them as tight as possible. Granted if you were in a hostile environment of dust, mud, sand, etc. looser might be better, but lets face it most American's don't subject their pistols to this abuse and keep them reasonably clean and lubed. I carry everyday here on my ranch in TX and my main mode of transportation is a UTV, it's gets pretty dry and dusty in the summer and my guns get awfully dirty, but I don't recall ever having a malfunction with any of the 1911s, B92s or ARs I normally have with me.

    Now to the less obvious.

    Tritium front sight: As I mentioned I put my pistol on the nightstand at night, a tritium sight helps me locate the pistol in the dark and there are times I might not have my light attached and it allows me to make decent hits out to 10-15yds in pretty dark conditions. As to daytime range play, yes I'd rather have a fiber optic, but it's not real deal breaker for me as I try to focus on the top of the sight blade anyway.

    Brigadier slide: I shoot my pistols a lot, even now that I've completely retired from formal competition I still shoot several hundred rounds (sometimes a 1000+) every week do durability of my guns is important to me. The Brig slide is simply bullet proof, I've never heard of one failing, ever. There is a big debate as to whether a lighter or heaver slide is easier/faster to shoot. I've tried to quantify this for myself and have never been able to conclusively prove which is better. I seem to shoot a 4" 1911 or Centurion better up close (under 12yds) and a longer sight radius heavier slide better past 12yds, but the difference is so minute that it's really not worth the debate to me. In a perfect world I would have rather have a Vertec slide that was .060" wider than normal, I think this slide would also be bullet proof as to durability and more aesthetically pleasing, but I was limited to mixing and matching parts Beretta had already built at sometime.

    G-10 grips: This is a VERY strong material, so the grips can be made pretty thin and still be serviceable, thinner is good on a double stack pistol. It was basically about thinning the grip, but they do look "quality" and pretty cool to.

    WC rear sight: I personally did the design of this sight and feel it's as good as it's gonna get considering the limited space available on a B92 and the fact we're limited by a fixed front sight on most pistols. The U notch is a big aid in reducing horizontal sighting errors due to the fact it naturally centers the front sight like a peep sight. The sight gives a good sight picture in both shaded areas and out in bright sunlight.

    WC fluted guide rod: I probably have not mentioned, but I wanted to put as many WC produced parts on the gun as possible while keeping it IDPA SSP approved, so we were pretty limited and the guide rod was an internal part we could change. Also we were not allowed to use non BUSA mfg parts that have any effect on function if we were to have BUSA warranty these pistols. I'm into quality and this is a quality part, fully machined from barstock, heat treated and Melonite coated. The fluting is probably just cosmetic, but it only costs pennies extra to do and looks cool so why not......

    Elite hammer: Picked it for cosmetic look only, functionally the std hammer is better since you can usually run a pound lighter hammer spring with the same ignition.

    Oversize checkered magazine release: Never had an issue with accidentally ejecting a mag with one and they are definitely an aid in fast mag changes, especially for those with small hands. Had to stick with a Beretta part due to the previously mentioned IDPA/warranty issues.

    Round trigger guard: I just like it! All of my customized M92 have been modified to a round T guard. Serious shooters never put their finger on the front of the trigger guard so why have that ugly hook or half finished look of the M9A1 trigger guard. Dramatically improves the aesthetics of the pistol and gives it a "different" look from the rest of the pack.

    4.7" bbl length: As above, I just like it. This is just one of those "preference" things.

    I think that's pretty much it, as stated above I just built my "personal" dream gun and hopefully the project is successful enough to justify building my dream Centurion in the future [​IMG]


    http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=111356&page=47
     
  11. Sterling Archer

    Sterling Archer Codename Duchess Supporting Addict

    Aug 30, 2015
    WilsonCombatRep:
    The action tune is a honing and polishing of all parts and the hammer spring to give you a nice smooth 8# DA and 3.5# SA


    As Ronwiz said, the action tune that comes with the pistol is different than if you send it to Wilson after purchasing for the 'Ultimate Action Tune'.

    WilsonCombatRep:
    If you order a 92G from us we cannot install the action bar during the action tune-just the standard action tune with factory parts and aftermarket hammer spring.

    You would have to send the gun back for the action bar.

    It is an ATF excise tax issue. Not something we can change.

    when asked what the trigger bar was:
    The enhanced trigger bar is a part we make that can reduce overtravel and enhance ignition with light springs. It has to be fitted by a gunsmith.

    when asked if the 'regular' Action Tune was enough or should it be sent back to WC for the new trigger bar:
    I don't think its necessary for a defensive gun. For a match/target gun you can reduce trigger overtravel and increase the amount the hammercams to the rear so it can improve your trigger feel a bit.

    https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=472094
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2015
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  12. Ronwiz

    Ronwiz Well-Known Member Supporting Addict

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    Dec 31, 2014
    Thanks Sterling Archer for a great compilation of all this info. That was the first time I read the Mr. Wilson rationale for this pistol and now I know why I ordered it. Great job. We will have to share notes after I get mine.
     
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  13. Sterling Archer

    Sterling Archer Codename Duchess Supporting Addict

    Aug 30, 2015
    Thanks, bud!
    Mine just left for Wilson today. I'm anxious to feel the difference between pre and post tuning. They quoted me 3-4 weeks but that was including refinishing the frame in bronze, I decided to hold off on the paint job so hopefully it'll be here slightly quicker.
     
  14. Badabing11

    Badabing11 I gotta have more cowbell

    Sep 6, 2015

    That is a great question. I looked at a WC/Beretta gun like yours a while back . It did not have the action tune. I really liked it a lot as it was. I can't imagine the single action pull getting any better. I did not check the reset on it. I'd also figure your double action pull will drop significantly. I don't think I could have imagined a cleaner break on the trigger in SA.

    That is a sweet gun. I'd love to hear what is different about it when you get it back.
     
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  15. rolandag2

    rolandag2 New Member

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    Nov 17, 2015
    I got mine back in May and ordered it in December or January. I have a nighthawk custom and a Wilson combat and the BrigTac shoots amazing it's got everything that Wilson has to offer and let me tell you it's an amazing gun. I have never been a big fan of Beretta but when Wilson introduced it I was game cause I have to have the stuff that's hard to get and limited. [​IMG]


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  16. B_RAD

    B_RAD You serious, Clark?

    Jan 15, 2012
    I've never liked Berreta's but decided to give one of these a try. I love mine.

    Glad I got one!

    Tempted to buy a second!

    But I won't. I want to try an Accu-shadow to see which one I like more.

    The WC92-G is awesome!
     
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  17. Sterling Archer

    Sterling Archer Codename Duchess Supporting Addict

    Aug 30, 2015
    I got the call today it's completed but won't be here for a week because of the holiday. :cry: :grumpy:
     
  18. tac45

    tac45 What me worry ? Supporting Addict

    Mar 4, 2012

    Y'all boys could avoid this silly confusion --- a 1911 is a 1911 ! he he he he . :pirate:
     
  19. Denver1911

    Denver1911 Well-Known Member

    Jan 31, 2014
    Mine went over the 1,000 round mark yesterday. All kinds of ammo. Mostly my reloads. Not one malf.
     
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  20. Sterling Archer

    Sterling Archer Codename Duchess Supporting Addict

    Aug 30, 2015
    I've read, but have truly researched, that the design is inherently reliable due to how it feeds and ejects.
     

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