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Discussion in 'General 1911 talk' started by Quack, Aug 28, 2011.
i don't mind either.
Oh'e no here we go again. This bebate has been active for well over 30 yrs. or so.
It's strickly a personal preference...nothing more. It add's a little extra weight and makes the takedown procedure different. Thats pretty much the buttom line. The full lenght GR was invented with the following in mind.
1. Easier take down ( for some) that is.
2. Add weight to the muzzle area for competition use.
3. Extending the service time on the recoil spring, by keeping it straight.
4. To make the felt recoil more consistent.
5. Make the gun more reliable.
In reality only #2 is a proven fact. The rest is still discussed to death, but never really proven to the best of my knowledge.
Pacino press-check FTstyleW:
OK, with that little fun out of the way, on a more serious note - I'm here to learn. :smile:
Pretty much a non factor for me, I do like the extra weight of a FLGR, but I also like the simplicity of the GI setup.
Obviously a full length GR is not required, however engineering 101 will tell you that coil springs like guide rods.. I rather like them, but use both.. Ron
I detest FLGRs (both varieties). In my hands they offer no performance advantage, make the front end look unfinished, and for me complicate the dis-assembly.
I've replaced all of mine with a standard rod & plug from Ed Brown.
Going from this:
Makes me :biggrin1:
I do not advocate FLGR's either for any application! I used to say I didnt mind them for games, but i'd never depend on a 1911 that had one until a few months ago. Somehow a round slipped through the Dillon without getting a crimp on it and jammed up the gun. If i would have had a GI plug i could have just punched the gun on the end of an object to free up the round, but instead i had to do a lot of unsafe stuff to get the round out! Some people will say, "well dont shoot reloads then!" Good point, but while it is much less of a percentage, the same can happen from factory and has happened to me in my TRP, which has the recoil assembly changed out! If your going to have a FLGR, I would suggest changing the rear sight out to a shelf style
I've used both. I prefer the ease of use with the GI set-up.
Never did care for the look of FLGR on a government or commander model.
Aesthetically, I prefer the GI setup.
That aside, I like being able to take it down without tools. I don't use the old-school GI method for field stripping; I take the slide off while it's still sprung, to save wear on the bushing fit. Regardless, the GI setup just seems to be less to deal with.
I prefer the GI, I have only ever tried a two piece FLGR for that end of things.
I do take down the Les Baer by removing the slide as the bushing will not move in full lockup. Just have to make sure things do not go flying!
I fear my response to this question is a reflection of my age. I got into shooting 1911s before the FLGR had been introduced. I got used to take down/disassembly with the stock plug & cap and still prefer it. I've been told by advocates of the FLGR that it keeps recoil springs from kinking. I can honestly say I've never experienced or talked to anyone who has experienced a kinked recoil spring. Largely because of this the FLGR seems like a solution to a non-existent problem. YMMV!
I like 1 piece FLGRs not a big fan of 2 piece FLGRs
I really don't mind either, but if I had to decide I'd take the GI setup. I only see FLGR has a little more of a headache for little more difficult dis assembly and a little bit more weight.
What amuses me are when I hear new-age shooters new to 1911s talk about the difference between the two.
I swear, you may go a little cross-eyed when you hear them remark, "Now, this new Rock Island 1911 I got is a new design. See how it only has a stubby little guide rod? Unlike my old Kimber." :lol:
I prefer the GI two piece:biggrin1:
I put another vote in for the GI setup!
I don't really mind the FLGR in my RIA Tac, but I'll probably be switching it out for a GI. I just really like the look of 1911s with the GI set-up.
I really dislike the FLGR, I don't care to have to use a bushing wrench to take down my 1911. The bushing on my Les Baer TRS was ridiculously tight, through careful use of valve grinding compound I now have the bushing to where I can take down the TRS by hand. My Kimber Ultra CDP II requires a bent piece of steel for takedown and so does my RIA 1911cs because it has a FLGR w/reverse plug. I tolerate using a tool to field strip those two because I like them, I will never use a FLGR on a full size 1911.
I'll stick with a GI setup. In all my years with 1911's, I've yet to see one real substantial benefit of using a FLGR.