I have to say I'm not surprised. Why is Staccato not using titanium firing pins here?
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I have to say I'm not surprised. Why is Staccato not using titanium firing pins here?
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Speaking as someone who lives in a state where any gun allowed to be sold by the company that manufactures it here has to be drop safe, they drop the gun from a 10" or 12" ladder 3 times I believe to judge it and most 1911 manufacturers pass the test by using a TI firing pin and stronger spring - those two items are immediately replaced to avoid light primer strikes.
As I mentioned on the other thread on this subject, "drop safe" is something manufactured by lawyers and politicians.
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In other news, water is wet. If having a smooth, predictable trigger means that if somehow IF I drop the gun from shoulder height(?) AND there’s a round in the chamber AND it falls muzzle first AND the weight distribution of it doesn’t rotate it AND the surface has next to zero give(I’d like to see this tested on carpet and dirt now) like a solid concrete floor THEN the gun will go off…I’d call that an acceptable risk.
Imo the only drop testing concern should be the gun falling in a manner that the muzzle could be pointed at a person and the gun fires on impact. The 1911 seems to only fall into that category if there’s someone under you and you’re on a…I don’t know what kind of floor you’d have to be standing on that would allow the firing pin to move under inertia AND it’s thin enough to allow the round to penetrate. Imo that’s a test worth doing though
Imo the only drop testing concern should be the gun falling in a manner that the muzzle could be pointed at a person and the gun fires on impact. The 1911 seems to only fall into that category if there’s someone under you and you’re on a…I don’t know what kind of floor you’d have to be standing on that would allow the firing pin to move under inertia AND it’s thin enough to allow the round to penetrate. Imo that’s a test worth doing though
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Spoke on the phone with Staccato technical team. An official response will be coming out in the next few days. Figured id let y'all know.
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Maybe Staccato will say water is wet.
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I think this is alot bigger than people realize. Agency's and people didnt know this was an issue and if Staccato can take measures to make this less of a problem ie changing the spring or the firing pin then they should. Over the phone they mentioned that they have received alot of concerns from departments and are well aware of this drama going on which is why they are waiting a few days to release their statement. He also said that alot of states have very rigorous testing and they have never failed any but they understand in this fringe scenerio it could be a problem. I know a few LE that is really worried about their P right now and they need to come up with a fix (voluntary send in, sell the parts, etc). Even with it being a series 70 if its a duty weapon it should be drop safe. **** like this can really destroy a company or platform if not handled right. Look at the P320.
Just my opinions at the end of the day.
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I agree. My "water is wet" was a jab at a post made upstream by another member.
The easy button for Staccato would seem to be a heavier spring and an accompanying lighter firing pin. For ignition reliability this may entail a stouter hammer spring.
Springs and pins could fairly easily be sent to all who are concerned and then the new parts could be rolled into production without too much drama.
We'll see what Staccato does. Hopefully we'll have the public announcement soon.
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interesting, I did not realize this was such a major deal. maybe we will be seeing some cheap Staccato police trade-ins from the fallout...
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No worries I wasn't offended. Completely agree with you.
Finally, some good drama.
I’m all about cheap police trade ins. 😀
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True dat.
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Yep, who cares if it fires when the muzzle hits the ground....... well unless your baby is in the crib in the floor below.
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All because cops told Ben
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That’s a very short ladder. I’m sure the XC could pass that test in its standard configuration.
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Maybe shooting sports are not a good fit for those worried about what happens when dropping things.
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There was supposedly a recent department eval in Colorado that the 2011 failed. Some type of drop was involved.
Just for reference, the CA drop test height is 1 meter, +1/-0cm. Dropped muzzle first, on concrete. See page 15
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I got a pool going for what Staccato's response is gonna be:
"Still better than Sig"
"Pops off in the ground, not in your pants"
"Two World Wars!"
"Look at this fancy 'the genius of JMB' box!"
"But you still shoot this gun better so.... Don't drop your Staccato! 🤷♂️"
Cue Social Media campaign - "Don't drop your Stacc's"
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Good job ding-dongs, next year we're gonna have a bunch series 80 shít come out from all the major players, collet bushings included, and all this super unsafe stuff will be collectors items. I'm glad I got in when I did.
"Still better than Sig"
"Pops off in the ground, not in your pants"
"Two World Wars!"
"Look at this fancy 'the genius of JMB' box!"
"But you still shoot this gun better so.... Don't drop your Staccato! 🤷♂️"
Cue Social Media campaign - "Don't drop your Stacc's"
Good job ding-dongs, next year we're gonna have a bunch series 80 shít come out from all the major players, collet bushings included, and all this super unsafe stuff will be collectors items. I'm glad I got in when I did.
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