I don't pay much attention to what others think. If I were ever to wear out a gun I can afford to buy a replacement. Where you live, what your risks are and how well you shoot the gun will inform you.

 

^^^ What he said ^^^

The only issue I can think of would be over penetration if you were to shoot a bad guy. If you live in NY city, I would be concerned with penetration given how crowded that city can be. If you live in bear country, I think you're doing the correct thing. Beyond that, if it were me, I'd continue along with what you have.

 

Why do you carry 10mm? If you live in the country and feel like you need the extra umph then I wouldn’t worry about it. If you have a 10mm for range fun then I still wouldn’t worry about it.

the more I think about it, I just wouldn’t worry about it period. Few people shoot enough rounds to wear out a frame.

now, if you’re asking this because you are fishing for an excuse to get a new gun, then I firmly think 10 is only appropriate for certain applications and that you should, may MUST get another gun for regular use to spare your 10mm the abuse.

 

What does your experience tell you? If you have mine, then maybe you listen……. If you’re satisfied with your experience, spend time getting better with your chosen gear and less worrying about others opinions.

 

If the calibers and rounds you use for carry work reliably in whatever you are carrying then it doesn’t matter. You might want to consider looking at over penetration studies if you are ever in apartment buildings.

 

i totally agree

 

Those two guys will have you wearing your straw hat to the Christmas party.

 

I thought it was tinfoil? But seriously, most big box 10mm range ammo is only matching, or barely beating 40 S&W velocity. If you shoot enough full velocity ammo you can wear out anything. Proper maintenance matters as well.

 

10mm would certainly do the job, but I've personally never considered it for EDC, although my Colt Delta Elite has functioned just fine since I bought it in 1988 and it has had no mechanical issues. Would a constant diet of full power ammo (original loadings, not modern watered down factory loads) have worn it out by now? ...certainly, but I treat it like a S&W Model 19, i.e. full power loads on occasion and reduced handloads most of the time. I've never been easily influenced by the random opinions of others...I go by personal experience. YMMV

 

The stated reasons for not thinking the round is a good fit for the 1911 are 1) too hard to get to function, and 2) too much pressure for the platform. Both are incorrect. The 10mm is much easier to get to run in a 1911 than the 9x19 and .40 S&W are due to the 10mm OAL, and the 10mm is run at no higher pressures than .38 Super used in completion and much lower pressure than 9x23 Winchester.

.38 Super +P maximum pressure is 36,500 psi, 10mm maximum pressure is 37,500 psi, and 9x23 Winchester maximum pressure is 55,000 psi. .38 Super loads used in competition exceed .38 Super +P pressures. While the 10mm case has a larger area and generates more force on the breech, it is dwarfed by the force generated by full-power 9x23 Winchester loads.

Other than the cost and ease of purchase of ammo, pistol, and magazines, there are no drawbacks to the 10mm in the 1911.

 

At 21:24 of this YouTube clip, Bill Wilson and Ken Hackathorn speak about why they do not like or carry 10 MM handguns.

If you go to the Wilson website, they offer 10mm in their CQB pistol. CQB 1911 Handguns - Wilson Combat

 

When watching their videos (and anyone else’s) one has to remember all of those videos are adver-tainment. They are not spending their, money, and resources having people record, edit, and then release these free videos of distilled wisdom purely to educate and inform you. They want you to buy their product.

So why would they not want to endorse 10mm in a 1911? Is there something in their current product line up or possibly soon coming down the product pipeline that wouldn’t work well with 10mm? Maybe they are moving more and more to aluminum frames that won’t stand up as well to 10mm? Maybe they are working on making a 45ACP EDC X9 or Experior and they want to preempt people wondering why there is no 10mm option? Maybe the 10mm CQB is going away? I personally don’t know what the reason is but usually the context for that reason becomes apparent in hindsight after a few product releases.

 

I think it still comes down to what you can competently shoot and get shots on target without having overpenetration. Whether that's 10mm, 357 sig, 9mm, etc - if its what you shoot the best then that is what matters at the end of the day. You can always buy another pistol or replace parts if you are worried about long-term wear and tear.

 

I recently moved to Alaska and transitioned to carrying a 1911 10mm while the bears are awake. I’ve fired hundreds of rounds through my three 10mm guns (Les Baer, Springfield TRP and Ronin). I’ve had almost no issues while shooting practice loads or fast moving hard cast rounds. Like others have said, take advice with a grain of salt and do your own testing and evaluation to determine if the round and platform work for your environment. I personally love the 10mm in a 1911.

 

Master blaster have you ever had a Dan Wesson Specialist?? I’m looking at that for my first 10mm

 

Shoot and carry what you want. It really doesn't matter what other people think. Having said that I belong to the school that believes a 1911 is a .45acp gun. Although a Commander can be.45acp or a 9mm because it was designed for the 9mm. If I want to shoot 10mm I have a Glock model 20.

 

I was in the First group of S&W 1076’s in the early 90’s. I had qualified 244/250 with a snub and 296/300 with a 4” 38 special. The Smith’s were not very ergonomic and they recoiled like a hot 357. I’ve carried a 45 mostly, switched to a 9mm (EDC-X9) a few years ago. Never thought twice about a 10mm, no bears to worry about…..until…..I bought a 10mm CMMG Banshee from a guy at work a few months ago. It’s a damn fine PCC caliber! I’ve bought dies and added a 610 and a Delta Elite. All that said, as much as I have respect for BW and KH, you only have one ass to give, carry what you feel confident with.

 

95% of 10mm factory ammo is no more potent than 40 S&W. Unless you are buying "real" 10mm, I doubt your gun is being abused.

 

Well that does it I am selling all my 10mm guns…wait I don’t have any 🤦🏻‍♂️

Well I’m selling my 9mm’s I mean what’s the difference 1mm right 🤣

I don’t own one because it expensive to shoot but if I lived in Grizzly country I would buy one for sure…then again I worry more about people than Grizzly bears 🤔

 

I think Ken and Bill in previous videos have said that they are mostly carrying 9mm so it would not surprise me that neither has room in their hearts for the 40/10mm. According to them the 10mm is problematic and listening to the logic moves my BS meter pretty close to the peg. I have two Kimbers and most recently a NHC Commander bought here from a fellow addict. Not one functional issue from any of them. Here is the first 5 shot group on paper from the NHC, fired offhand from 25yds.

My only complaint with the 10mm is the long walk to find the brass.

 

You can find it? When I had a Delta it flung brass 30 feet into tall grass, half of it is still in there, waiting for an archeologist to discover it. While i owned my Delta i put about 2500 rounds through it without any problems.

 

They may well be thought of as experts when it comes to 1911 and the like. Having said this, one needs to look no farther than their own brain. It works wonders. Not meaning to sound rude or to offend anyone.

 

If you like it and trust it, why care what Bill and Ken think?

 

There is nothing wrong w/ a 10mm in a quality 1911. Those two are getting older and may not enjoy the recoil.

 

There is nothing wrong w/ a 10mm in a quality 1911. Those two are getting older and may not enjoy the recoil.

Especially coming from two old Fuddley-farts who carry and shoot a 9-minimeter 99.9% of the time.

 

I like 10mm, especially in the 1911 so am keeping mine.

 

I guess this was all a waste!

 

I'll be glad to take all that nasty-nasty gun punishing ammo off your hands!
LoL...

 

I've always believed that the 45acp offers more than adequate power with superior control.
The ability to deliver several very fast hits trumps the more powerful cartridges.

 

They don't like 10mm because they can't shoot it. They destroyed their wrists shooting ungodly amount of factory 45 ball and 9x23. Even Vickers switched to 9mm from shoulder issues. No telling how many rounds Bill and Ken have shot. When I was competing in IPSC the power factor for major was 180. I shot a 200gr lswc at 920 to make sure I was at major level. After 50,000 rounds in matches and practice I started having pain in right wrist. X rays showed stress cracks in wrist bones. I had to shoot 38 specials out of a 4" python. After a few months I went back to 45 and hid the pain
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I found it interesting that Hackathorn brought up Larry Vickers a couple times. Was this before the trial or after?

 

I never understood sheep that worry about what others like in order to justify their purchases. But and use what you enjoy.

I personally don’t like 10mm 1911’s, but if I did, I wouldn’t give a damn how others felt about it.

 

Your so correct. The reason foe reassurance on their purchases. In collage in marketing class they discussed this issue. The experts call it cognitive disavavance not sure of the spelling. Marketing a product requires features and benefits, use and disposal. Plus making the customer feel good about their purchase. Nothing ruins a return customer is them feeling not happy with the purchase. Some people are insecure about their purchases and need outside reinforcement. It's not a bad thing to hear you made a good purchase