Just picked up an XC and I freaking love it.

 

Beautiful, congratulations!

 

Staccato is good to go in my book, but XC is very loud indoors, very loud

If you don’t need a red dot ready slide, you can snag a deal on a used Nighthawk in your budget

 

I’d prefer a red dot. Like I said would be if ever necessary. My AR’s and Glock 17 would be my go to’s.

 

Staccatos are reliable and maybe a bit better than duty accurate.

The MPA DS9 will outshoot the Staccatos, has a better trigger,and is finished nicer.

I own both.

 

So seems like staccato would fit my needs better and masterpiece would be going to the competition side alittle more.

 

Staccato XC would be hard to beat for the money, would be my pick and Aton of other addicts choice if you read the forums,there was a like new XC on the boards that was sent to Chambers I think for upgrades had a super reasonable price on it would be a great buy!!!

 

Don’t think you’ll go wrong with either. And a used NHC can be found at or close to your price if you can be patient.

 

Where would be the best places to look for a used one?

 

Only you can truly assess your use criteria. But, I’d rather be shooting at a BG in my home with my MPA’s. Staccato would get the job done though. But given the choice…..

Here’s another thought. If you shop hard you may be able to find a nice used Atlas Titan. By the time you buy a dot you will blow the budget a little but it’s a discernible step up.

 

And while not 2011s, some of the Sig P226 variants or a CZ Shadow 2 get you at or close to the performance level of the kind of 2011 you’re looking at, but for less money. Just an alternative path that could be worth considering.

 

An XC will be tuff to top for the money. Good luck

 

you are on the right track imo.

Staccato XC

MPA DS9 TC (the XC clone)

Maybe throw in the RC9 ported 5" (but I'd rather have either of the above tbh)

 

Agree that the XC is probably the way to go or find a good preowned NHC or Wilson.

 

I would agree with the XC or MPA, although I would lean more towards the XC if you can swing it.

 

Just asked this same question myself a month or so back.

I've decided on a Staccato XC and one of the Bul Armory variants.

 

Yeah I’ve gone back and forth between diminishing returns at some point and not wanting to buy a budget pistol and dump a bunch of money in it. I think the xc is what I’m going to go with. I can always upgrade little things on an already amazing 2011.

 

Agree with taking a hard look at Tanfoglio and/or CZ Shadow 2. True, they're not a 2011. But you'll get (IMHO, others disagree) a fabulous SAO trigger, similar mag capacity, and very similar feel. Any of the steel Tanfoglios (Stock, Stock II, Gold Master, etc) will work just fine. Since you're not competition shooting and only range shooting it would be a great option for significantly less money. I have a 6" Tanfoglio Gold Match in 10mm with a red dot that shoots way better than I do.

Just an option for you.

 

I took the mid range approach from the start. I went with a Jacob Grey TWC9 with Highly opinionated reviews. It runs well, requiring no modifications unless you just desire them. Also point out that neither a 1911 or 2011 is the Wilson Combat X series of pistols. They run and shoot well. However just like @PhilaPop and others have stated a used Nighthawk can be afforded. I can't get the smile off my face for hours after shooting mine. Yes it was used. All 3 have answered different questions for me. The TWC9 and Wilson budgets with plenty of room left to purchase more ammo. The TRS Comp, I've had to rethink my ammo purchases. How's that go? Never Enough Ammo. Good Luck on your Journey.

TWC9

SFX9L

TRS Comp

 

That TRS Comp is gorgeous.

 

Staccato makes nice guns, there are nicer. But, for the money they are hard to beat. The WC EDC X9L is nice also

 

This has been a fascinating thread to read through. In my mind, I consider the Tisas B9R duty, Tisas Night Stalker, the MAC DS 1911, EA Witness Match, LFA Apollo, the RI TACs, and the Great Lakes Synergy "entry level" 2011s (all around $950 or less). I would consider the Prodigy, the AF Romulus, the Kimber 2K11s, the RIA 5.0e, the Oracle Arms 2311, and the cheaper end of BUL armory's offerings as mid-range ($1,400-$2,500). After that would come your Jacob Greys, you lower-end MPAs and Staccatos, etc, up to the $4k range. Then you'd hit the XC, Phoenix Trinity, Alchemy Quantico HiCaps, Cosaint CO21s, Legion Precisions, Combat Precisions, Vulcan 11s, etc. Then your ultra premiums at the top......Always interesting to see other's viewpoints thought; great thread!

 

Yeah so I guess I’m looking for Upper Mid Range or Lower Premium Range haha.

 

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Staccato XC is going to be the benchmark at $4k. I have one and it’s great, but I’ve already started climbing the price ladder on 2011s. Another $4k option I’m curious about is Race City Defense. I have a @KOVERT x Race City on order that I’m anxious to get and try. I was able to handle a Race City commander at a shop a few hours away and it felt great - build quality you would expect at $4k that other options don’t deliver. The grip is very unique in a good way - aggressive without feeling like it will tear your hand apart.

 

I'll throw in a hidden gem in the recommended line up.A Guncrafter Hellcat X2 ,they do pop up in the $3k-4k range.
I have XC,XL,Titan and the GI Hellcat is right there with them.Fit and finish is a step above Staccato but a step below Atlas from the ones i have.All Run without issue.

 

What was the issue with the Prodidgy? If all your doing is plinking and home defense, the should be fine.

Do you have a range that may rent higher end 2011's. I really didn't find much of a difference between a 4000-dollar XC and a 7000-dollar Atlas Erebus. If you could find a good deal on an XC, its a pretty good shooter.

 

No issues with prodigy I’m just outgrowing my modified gun era/tinkering and want more reliability/higher quality out of the box, I guess I’d be lying if I also didn’t like the staccato brand name in my holster either. I will have to call around, but I do not know of any ranges off the top of my head. So far the best deal I have found is a Staccato XC Blem for about $3800.

 

With a $4,000 budget I'd probably look at:

Staccato P

• DLC barrel +$100
• Flat Aluminum Trigger +$80
• 3.0-3.5lbs trigger weight +$100
• X Serrations +$250
• 4x 20rd mags +$280
• Optic of your choice, for this to stay around $4k add Holosun 509T w/ mounting

Total: $3,870.
This pricing is off of staccato's website which is of course all at MSRP. You can find optic, mounting plates, and mags for a bit cheaper elsewhere.

You'd have a pretty sweet rig with that. Staccato P has tons of holsters from anything to IWB, OWB, LVL 2, LVL 3 retention, holsters are in stock easy to find. Add another ~$120 for nice holster
Mag carriers. Need 2 at minimum. Add another ~$100.

A Staccato P with a some of the sought out features like the x serrations (Staccato's X serrations are some of the best in 2011's - fight me), DLC barrel, and their flat trigger at 3lbs is a phenomenal shooting gun and definitely what I would consider "mid-tier". You would not be unhappy with it.

Being a "duty" style gun with a flat trigger and a lighter trigger of 3lbs, it'd more than fit every role of home defense, range fun, and if you one day compete which I HIGHLY suggest everyone does, you can show up with that and not be lacking in the gear department.

If you wanted something OTHER than Staccato and staying in that $4k price range, I'd highly recommend the Jacob Gray Hex. It's 4.25'' with a ported slide and barrel. At 4.25" it's a bit shorter which you may or may not prefer, but has nice crisp, tight flat faced metal ~3.5lbs trigger, and the grip module feels good. I've met the owners of the company and they are very down to earth and have great customer service. The JG hex gets you a metal grip module if that's something you're interested in.

MPA DS9 Hybrids look great. We are MPA dealers but we don't have any DS9's in stock and haven't ordered any. We've just been getting their bolt guns. I'd like to see some of these in person as they are priced right with some nice features. Others here on the forum have MPA's and love em.

I don't consider the XC as mid-tier. I consider it the beginning of the high-tier models that everyone compares it too. X series staccatos (XC and XL) have more gun smith fitting and tighter tolerances than their other models for those that are curious.

 

I would go with Masterpiece for the $$.

 

Nice piece you got there!

 

I don’t have much 2011 experience yet but I just picked up a Staccato XC and I love it.

 

I own several Stacatto's and like them very much. But if I was buying a gun today in that price range, I would get an MPA. Better grip , better trigger and better gun IMO.

PB

 

So if you had to start over you’d go with MPA over the Staccatos?

 

It has been pretty apparent you want the Staccato from the beginning. That's fine, go buy it.

 

Really I was in between the two brands. I’m just leaning more a little towards staccato due to the reliability aspect. I don’t shoot competition so I don’t want anything that may be picky with ammunition.