Cz75 sao , fits my hands better

 

Holy balls, I would choose three CZ-75 magazines over any Beretta 92.

 

Okay, I screwed up, I am supposed to explain my answer with a WHY:


If someone forced me to take a Beretta, I would grab like a Model 87 target or a shotgun.

Gripes, especially with the 92:

—literally like the Taurus more, frame mount safety is better

—classic 92 toooooo fat, it’s comically fat, it seems like a jokester was trying to make folks laugh with the fatness

—don’t like the external trigger bar, just not a fan

—Beretta locking block weakness was a real thing. Fixed, almost surely, but literally made more than one guy EAT a slide. If I recall the story correctly, it was US Navy that had them first and pounded them pistols and ate a couple slides. Just screw that!

—I sincerely do not find them accurate. I have owned two examples, one was Accokeek Maryland, the other was Italy. Both very standard 92F. “Combat accurate” is a term that may have been coined around this pistol. Yes, you can hit a bad guy at smelling distance. I want more from my handguns.

—I was in my formative years when the silly asses US Govt replaced the 1911 with these in 1985. In this you will agree with me… this is nothing I could grow out of, this was like being scarred as a child.

—3 years ago I was able to handle a 92X Performance, this was an expensive and high end gun. It was dog’s ass ugly and not even a good looking dog like my dog but an ugly dog’s ass. The slide to frame fit was NICE, felt very good.

The DA trigger pull was improved but nowhere as good as a CZ Shadow which cost like $500 less

But the kicker
Single action trigger was an absolute joke. I thought the safety was on. I could not believe how tragic it was, I personally own 20+ handguns with a better trigger.

It was disgusting.

If there was a 92 hater club, I would be on the board of directors.

 

I chose... 1911.

 

The CZ feels great in the hand with superior ergonomics
However I couldn’t get my Beretta to fail if I tried

 

CZ75 over the 92.

But probably the 93R over this:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1053018812

 

The stuff you find on GB! 😲

 

Joking aside, I was into CZ's before I became 1911 obsessed. I'm tempted by the new Shadow 2 compact. Thoughts of getting one converted to SAO have been floating through my mind...

I prefer the CZ ergo's over the Beretta.

 

I feel like 1911 guys have a natural affinity for the CZ 75. Jeff Cooper himself, in fact!!

But the Beretta 92 was the sidearm of the US military for so long that we (meaning Americans) have come to love them. Even the servicemen whose experience with the Beretta was a clapped-out, poorly maintained pool weapon in GWOT at least have some affinity through familiarity.

So both have a shot at winning this poll... I'm just interested in seeing which way the 1911 Addicts go 🍻

 

My biggest issue with the CZ is racking the slide , it gives little grip for us guys who suffer the onset of arthritis, it was the reason i let mine go .
On the other hand im thankful it doesn’t effect my functioning with a 1911 😊

 

My biggest issue with the CZ is racking the slide , it gives little grip for us guys who suffer the onset of arthritis, it was the reason i let mine go .
On the other hand im thankful it doesn’t effect my functioning with 1911 😊

Sorry to hear about your arthritis but glad you can still enjoy your 1911.

What's funny is that there are an equal number of guys complaining it's hard to rack the Beretta without banging it onto Safe mode as there guys complaining it's hard to rack the CZ because so little grip surface. It feels like there are lots of ways this contest is a draw... hence my poll! It's an interesting discussion.

 

CZ's fit my hand like a glove,easier to carry.Better ergo's and just overall seem the better choice.And yet that
large honking 92 is what i own.I enjoy the Beretta a bit more,shootability is easier for me on a Beretta.
As they say,each to their own.....

 

 

She's a beauty!

Are you a fan of the movie Boondock Saints, btw?

 

I'm a big Beretta fan, but CZ has always been my favorite pistol manufacturer.
For me the CZ slide in frame design and ergonomics are superior to all others.
The best Beretta I've owned was a Langdon Tactical 92G Elite LTT Centurion
that had the trigger job, NP3 coatings, and Barrel flush cut and crowned. As
nice as it was, I still prefer the CZ 75 series, and my 97 BDs are Superb .45s.

 

The SP-01 gets my vote. It is the only gun I've shot that was on 1911 level for accuracy. I will say not much slide to rack, the only 1 gripe. It was my night stand gun for seven years until I sold it. I should probably buy another one.

 

I voted CZ because:

 

CZ75, if Col. Cooper liked it then the CZ is fine by me. Seriously the CZ75 grip allows me to close my hand tighter than I can on the Beretta and that allows me to shoot better. There's reasons the CZ75 is one of the most copied handguns in the world.

 

I've owned 8 CZ Custom Shop pistols. I actually shoot CZ's better than 1911's. Currently I only have a new Pro Tek II with a very smooth and light 7lb DA and 3lb SA I recently bought. These suckers are pricey. One range trip, another one or two before I make it one of my main carry guns. IMO nothing points more naturally than a CZ 75 or variant. I shoot them as well as I shoot revolvers (which is very well). The Berettas are just completely non-egonomic in my hand, and I shoot them like crap. I don't shoot Sigs or Glocks very well, either, although I've owned a crapload of Sigs. Outside of 1911's, I'll always prefer either a CZ or a revolver (or a Sig P365).

The pic above was a CZ 75 (pre B) Shadow TAC II I carried for about 2 years. Nicest trigger I've ever had on a DA/SA pistol and the straightest-shooter I ever owned. Of course, it was like carrying a sledgehammer on my hip, and it gave me hip problems, hence why I sold it a couple of years ago. Had I foreseen IllAnnoy's illegal 15 round mag limit, I never would've sold it.

 

If berettas weren't used in so many iconic movies I don't think this would be close.

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I've owned 8 CZ Custom Shop pistols. I actually shoot CZ's better than 1911's. Currently I only have a new Pro Tek II with a very smooth and light 7lb DA and 3lb SA I recently bought. These suckers are pricey. One range trip, another one or two before I make it one of my main carry guns. IMO nothing points more naturally than a CZ 75 or variant. I shoot them as well as I shoot revolvers (which is very well). The Berettas are just completely non-egonomic in my hand, and I shoot them like crap. I don't shoot Sigs or Glocks very well, either, although I've owned a crapload of Sigs. Outside of 1911's, I'll always prefer either a CZ or a revolver (or a Sig P365).

The pic above was a CZ 75 (pre B) Shadow TAC II I carried for about 2 years. Nicest trigger I've ever had on a DA/SA pistol and the straightest-shooter I ever owned. Of course, it was like carrying a sledgehammer on my hip, and it gave me hip problems, hence why I sold it a couple of years ago. Had I foreseen IllAnnoy's illegal 15 round mag limit, I never would've sold it.

This is one of my favorite guns. I have 2 czs. I love them both. Berettas are a bit snappy for my likes.

 

I know the CZ is very popular, especially in competition circles, but the Beretta is iconic.

 

I'm going to be the dissenting voice and say Beretta 92. Actually I have the Langdon Tactical Elite 92 w/ trigger job and NP3 internals, which tilts the field dramatically. My CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical was a good shooter, but I hated the stock trigger, and it is a serious PITA to detail strip. I considered Cajunizing it, but used that money towards the LTT. It's trigger is like butter, and I like it a little bulky, fits my hands better. I shoot it well, and much easier on the shoot-clean-repeat cycle.

 

This is an interesting point. I think a lot of the people who say the Beretta 92 is too fat to grip comfortably haven't tried the 92X Vertec grip and I believe a lot of people who say they don't like the 92 trigger or shooting experience haven't tried the LTT. Like you said, Ernest Langdon has kept the the 92 a winning platform. I think the Beretta has gone through enough evolution that it has a place in the current year.

 

I have a thing for American military sidearms......so it'd be the M92 for me.


The CZ-75 makes for a tough decision, however.
Exceptional guns in their own right.

 

Beretta 92s,
As I don’t own any cz75s and really not thinking about another rabbit hole.

 

Own several examples of each. Love them both. If, and this is a big “if”, one could get a reasonable “CLICK” out of a CZ75 safety, I would take that.
I prefer the Beretta. Saved my bacon in the USN, and I never worried about my pistol functioning.

 

Do you prefer to carry cocked and locked, like with a 1911? I agree that I would only carry cocked and locked if I was 100% sure that manual safety was rock solid.

Then again, the advantage of the DA/SA design is you can forgo cocking the trigger and carry hammer down with the safety off. The 75 has a "D" model (decocker only) that works perfectly for EDC.

 

i have a lot of Cajunized CZ, some hopped up Sigs but never owned a 92. i got into CZ/ Sig DA/SA but then got out of them, back into 1911, before adding any Beretta..

I shot a 92 inox during that time but it was stock, so not a fair fight.

my Dad picked up an LTT Tomcat INOX..red dot, decent little shooter but even with all the trigger hoopla and RDO, it's functionally the same size as a CZ RAMI, which iMO is the apex of the CZ line ;D --> and makes the LTT Tomcat seem stupid- based on accuracy, shootability, caliber and round count.

 

I never agreed with the decision to replace the 1911. I never agreed that the Beretta was the best replacement if the 1911 had to be replaced. I like all steel guns and don't choose to seriously consider any guns having aluminum alloy frames.

This CZ has given perfect satisfaction in a 9mm handgun.

 

I love my LTT 92G Elite. Best DA/SA trigger out there and dead nuts reliable, even suppressed. The G variant (decocker only)is a huge improvement over the GI models with safety. I wanted to like the CZ, but there’s just too little slide to grasp.

 

I choose the CZ75 because I really prefer the ergos and the internal slide rails. That being said, an LTT Beretta 92 with an Ernest Langdon trigger job has a better DA/SA trigger than almost any CZ out there.

 

Base cz75 vs base 92x I chose the 92x. But move up to a shadow 2 and id pick a S2 all day over a 92x

 

Both are amazing but the Shadow 2 is a variant and that is an amazing gun.

 

I would choose the CZ75 and it‘s variants. I shot a family friend’s Italian made Beretta 92 and one while in the Army and they didn’t feel comfortable for me. I bought a CZ75B and ended up adding a P01 and SP01 to my collection. They are all upgraded with Cajun kits and really easy to shoot accurately.